Rice rises, Clinton slips in poll

Times Union ^ | 21 February 2006 | STEWART M. POWELL

[Aussie Dasher]

WASHINGTON -- Growing numbers of Americans oppose a presidential bid by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., in 2008 -- and favor a run by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice -- amid broad public willingness to elect a woman president, according to a nationwide poll released Sunday. Advertisement

The President's Day survey conducted for Hearst Newspapers by the Siena Research Institute of Siena College in Loudonville, covered 1,120 registered voters and was completed Feb. 10.

Some 48 percent of survey participants said Rice "should run" for president at the conclusion of President Bush's two terms -- an increase of 6 percentage points over a similar survey a year ago.

But Clinton saw opposition to her own presidential bid grow over the same period. Some 44 percent of survey respondents now say that Clinton "should not run" for president in 2008 -- up from 37 percent who felt that way last year.

The percentage of registered voters who say Clinton "should run" slipped from 53 percent to 51 percent over the past year, as support for a Rice candidacy increased, from 42 percent to 48 percent.

The survey found that 79 percent of participants were willing to vote for a woman as president and 64 percent said the nation was "ready" for one.

The survey did not test a head-to-head race between Clinton and Rice.

The margin of error for the survey in both years was 2.9 percentage points. That could mean that Clinton's 2 percentage point drop in the "should run" category may not represent an actual change.

The survey found that a majority of registered voters thought a woman president would handle national security-related issues as well as a male president, including serving as commander-in-chief of the armed service.

Douglas A. Lonnstrom, director of the Siena Research Institute, said the findings coupled with results from a comparable poll by his organization last year suggest the nation is on the cusp of a dramatic political change.

"As things stand now, I see a real possibility that a woman will be elected president in 2008," said Lonnstrom, a professor of finance and statistics and member of the American Association for Public Opinion Research. "Disapproval of President Bush has opened voters' eyes to alternatives -- and women benefit from that."

The latest nationwide Gallup Poll showed 56 percent of respondents disapproving of Bush's job performance and 39 percent approving -- the third lowest approval rating of his presidency.

Sally Friedman, a political scientist at the State University of New York at Albany, cautioned that the generic support for a woman president reflected in the poll could decline when voters get closer to weighing the strengths and weaknesses of actual candidates.

"Right now the election is more than two years away and pretty hypothetical," said Friedman, who studies women in politics. "That will change, the closer we get."

The survey detected a wide disparity of views between Democrats and Republicans, with 91 percent of Democrats expressing their willingness to elect a woman compared to 68 percent of Republicans.

[liberty2004]

Hillary and Rice will not run.

Hillary WILL run. The only reason she became a Senator, is to prepare her run for President. She lives for one thing, power. She will be the demo nominee. I pray the Republicans can have someone strong enough to stand up to what will be the most withering attacks from the left in the history of this Republic. This will be a campaign like no other in our nations history. It will be brutal. The media will do everything in it's power to utterly destroy the Republican nominee. It is true the Internet allows checks on the totalitarian left. However, I fear the ignorant masses will be duped. If anyone thinks it will be cakewalk against Hillary, they are mistaken. Look how close Kerry and Gore came.

[Thunder90]

Hillary is a smokescreen. The ONLY way Hillary will be able to run is if she comes out and denounces the war and demands troops out ASAP. Then, she will have the backing of Cindy Sheehan and those types.

[Thunder90]

Watch out for DIM darkhorse canadites.

[liberty2004]

The ONLY way Hillary will be able to run is if she comes out and denounces the war and demands troops out ASAP. Then, she will have the backing of Cindy Sheehan and those types

I don't believe she has to move left to win the demo nomination. The far left are quite aware of how she would "really" be in office. They know she will impose by executive order all sorts of far left controls on. They will gladly allow her to speak as though she is "in the center." They will scream and rant saying she is selling out -- all the time laughing knowing she will suck in the naive middle to her side. Bill will gladly campaign and speak of how great it would be to return the to the "glorious 90's." Hillary and Bill are all about the lust for power. They know exactly what they are doing. Remember, they likely still have copies of those FBI files. And who knows what info their moles in government are feeding them. Hillary will run and at this point the election is hers to lose. At this time, I don't see a Republican strong enough to withstand the onslaught.

[Thunder90]

If the majority of antiwar groups back Hillary, then we will know.

[giotto]

Condoleezza Rice has an incredible presence. Of all the political figures on the scene today, she is the most Presidential. I would love to see her onstage with the Beast in a debate. At one podium the dowdy, graceless figure, the unbearably grating voice, the cold dead eyes, and the stultifying message of Hillary Clinton. At the other, the slender, impeccably dressed figure and lovely face, the cultivated, musical voice, and the reasoned, informed message of Condoleezza Rice. I predict the largest audience ever for the presidential debates. And a landslide for Condi.

[section9]

Folks, no contest. On one side, Condi. On the other side, the dulcet tones of fingernails on chalkboard....

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[Beckwith]

The more interesting statistic implied is that 21% were NOT willing to vote for a woman president

If Condi and Hillary were running, that 21% would either sit out or vote for a woman.

Ergo, 100% of those voting would vote for a woman.

[nmh]

Unfortunately Rice has NO plans to run and won't be goaded into running. Let Hillary run. Let her miserably fail.

[highlander_UW]

Condoleezza Rice has an incredible presence. Of all the political figures on the scene today, she is the most Presidential. I would love to see her onstage with the Beast in a debate. At one podium the dowdy, graceless figure, the unbearably grating voice, the cold dead eyes, and the stultifying message of Hillary Clinton. At the other, the slender, impeccably dressed figure and lovely face, the cultivated, musical voice, and the reasoned, informed message of Condoleezza Rice. I predict the largest audience ever for the presidential debates. And a landslide for Condi.

I don't dispute a single point of your comment. I can clarify my less than rousing endorsement for Condi by stating that it's related to her views on abortion. She classifies herself as "mildly pro-choice". Personally, I do not believe there is that much wiggle room, morally speaking. Some information on her views on this topic can be found here:

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/mar/05031401.html

[Mia T]

I thought your point would be that Rice would lose her tolerance for ad hominem attack and decide TO run. ;)

I believe there is virtually NO chance we'll be electing a woman prez anytime soon.

 

It isn't that they can't see the solution. It is that they can't see the problem.

G. K. Chesterton

 

... While America appears not to be ready for a female president under any circumstances, the post-9/11 realities pose special problems for a female presidential candidate. Add to these the problems unique to missus clinton. The reviews make the mistake of focusing on the problems of the generic female presidential candidate running during ordinary times.

These are not ordinary times. America is waging the global War on Terror; the uncharted territory of asymmetric netherworlds is the battlefield; the enemy is brutal, subhuman; the threat of global conflagration is real.

Defeating the enemy isn't sufficient. For America to prevail, she must also defeat a retrograde, misogynous mindset. To successfully prosecute the War on Terror, it is essential that the collective patriarchal islamic culture perceives America as politically and militarily strong. Condi Rice excepted, this requirement presents an insurmountable hurdle for any female presidential candidate, and especially missus clinton, historically antimilitary--(an image, incidentally, that is only enhanced today by her clumsy, termagant parody of Thatcher), forever the pitiful victim, and, according to Dick Morris, "the biggest dove in the clinton administration."

It is ironic that had the clintons not failed utterly to fight terrorism... not failed to take bin Laden from Sudan... not failed repeatedly to decapitate a nascent, still stoppable al Qaeda... the generic female president as a construct would still be viable... missus clinton's obstacles would be limited largely to standard-issue clintonisms: corruption, abuse, malpractice, malfeasance, megalomania, rape and treason... and, in spite of Juanita Broaddrick, or perhaps because of her, Rod Lurie would be reduced to perversely hawking the "First Gentleman" instead of the "Commander-in-Chief."

Mia T, 10.02.05
HILLARY'S COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF PROBLEM
(see descriptor morphs)

BILL MAHER WARNS DEMOCRATS:
HILLARY WILL TAKE YOU OVER A CLIFF IN '08


'HIATUS' FOR HILLARY?


HILLARY'S EXPOSED LEFT FLANK 'SCARES THE HORSES' (VIDEO)
(MISSUS CLINTON SUPPORTS ALITO FILIBUSTER)


THE ABSURDITY OF A COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF HILLARY


IMPERIOUS HILLARY
(THE REPORTS OF HER DEATH ARE GREATLY UNDERSTATED)


WHY HILLARY MUST NOT WIN. WHY HILLARY CANNOT WIN.

(ICKES + ESTRICH PROVIDE ROADMAP--oops!--FOR HILLARY DEFEAT)

IS REUTERS SENDING A MESSAGE ABOUT A COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF HILLARY?


ON REJIGGING GALLUP'S LOSING NUMBERS FOR HILLARY
THE ALTERNATE UNIVERSE OF ANNE KORNBLUT


SEE VIDEO: "HILLARY IS 'DOOMED'" (more 'plantation' fallout)


GONE WITH THE WIND
(miss hillary's 'plantation' blunder)


ON PEGGY NOONAN ON 4 PRESIDENTS AND A FUNERAL


'REFUSAL TO LEVEL WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE'
... IS HILLARY 'KNOWNOTHING VICTIM' CLINTON'S MIDDLE NAME


ON THE FICTIONALIZED MEMOIR (HEAR HILLARY IN SF)^{~PART TWO~}
THE (oops!) INADVERTENT ADMISSIONS OF HILLARY AND JANE IN SAN FRANCISCO


~SEE VIDEO~
IRAQI GENERAL: SADDAM MOVED WMD TO SYRIA BEFORE INVASION
(ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE, CINDY SHEEHAN)


REDACTION LOOPHOLE: ACCESS TO THE BARRETT REPORT


HILLARY CLINTON KNEW ABOUT THE RAPE: HEAR JUANITA BROADDRICK


ROCKEFELLER SEDITION: WHO IS CALLING THE SHOTS?


CLINTON 'CULTURE OF CORRUPTION'


THE FAILED, DYSFUNCTIONAL CLINTON PRESIDENCY
(DECONSTRUCTING CLINTON'S HOFSTRA SPEECH) -- part1: clinton's "Brinkley" Lie


AFTERWORD: ON CLINTON SMALLNESS
(BRINKLEY MISSES THE POINT)


WHY DID BILL CLINTON IGNORE TERRORISM?
Was it simply the constraints of his liberal mindset, or was it something even more threatening to our national security?


WHY THE CLINTONS FAILED "TO CAPTURE OR KILL THE TALLEST MAN IN AFGHANISTAN"
(DID THEY REALLY WANT TO TAKE HIM OUT ANYWAY?)


'MAKE IT A RULE' -- PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR OSAMA WITH CLINTON and CO.
(HEAR HILLARY + BILL MAKE THEIR PITCH)


THE (oops!) INADVERTENT (TERRORISM) ADMISSIONS OF BILL + HILLARY CLINTON (HEAR HILLARY IN SF) ^{~PART ONE~}


IT TAKES A CLINTON TO RAZE A COUNTRY


BIN LADEN FINGERS CLINTON FOR TERROR SUCCESS (SEE FOOTAGE)
THE THREAT OF TERRORISM IS AS CLOSE AS A CLINTON IS TO THE OVAL OFFICE


THE 'BORED,' BEFUDDLED POLITICS OF JOHN KERRY RETURNS
CALLS FOR ALITO FILIBUSTER FROM 'SKI SLOPES'

[Wolverine]

bump

[John D]

The margin of error for the survey in both years was 2.9 percentage points. That could mean that Clinton's 2 percentage point drop in the "should run" category may not represent an actual change.


Typical MSM spin, why do they not also say it could mean a drop of almost 5%?

[strategofr]

"I don't believe she has to move left to win the demo nomination. The far left are quite aware of how she would "really" be in office."

You got it.

[strategofr]

"She lives for one thing, power."

Two things: power and to serve the government she is loyal to. Unfortunately, that is not the United States!

[strategofr]

"Watch out for DIM darkhorse canadites."

You obviously think the Democratic Party is organized on democratic principles. I disagree. I believe Hillary has already been selected.

[Graymatter]

I'm convinced now that Dr. Rice will never run for office. The media held their fire for her rise to Sec. of State but if she seeks higher office they will trash her like no one has ever been trashed before. She doesn't want to be remembered for that, and right now her place in history is both honored and certain.

[dangus]

>> I daresay the percentage of people willing to vote for a male as president is somewhere close to 100%. <<

I dunno... Last election we had a bunch of men, and only about 50% of the country was willing to vote for any of them. :^D

[Graymatter]

>>I believe Hillary has already been selected.

Well, great! That means we can run anybody, any dried-up retread who can read a cue card, or any babe in the woods, and we'll win. He may not be the most glorious POTUS, but he won't be a Clinton.

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll be so lucky as to see a sure loser like Hillary on the 2008 Dem ticket.

[Austin Willard Wright]

lNever Forget. That Hilary supported the quagmire in Kosovo (as she supports the current Iraq quagmire) while conservatives (properly) took the antiwar position on Kosovo.