Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies
When President Bush gave his "axis of evil" speech he went out of his way to make the world understand that it isn't a war with Islam itself that we were joining — and I say joining because the war had been started by the Jihadists decades before. And, in observance to our Western principles, that must be the correct way to view our conflagration with radical Islam.
Let's face facts, it certainly is uncomfortable to a Westerner who has been brought up on tolerance, freedom of religion, and liberty to contemplate a war against an entire religion. But are we approaching a time when Western nations won't have a choice but to target Islam itself in certain ways to keep their own people safe. The best course of action is to make public displays of Islam and certain of its practices illegal in Western nations.
So, the question becomes are we at that time now? Are we fast approaching a time when Mosques will be closed and banned? Have we come to a time when Islamic literature is turned away from our borders? Have the childish and dangerous reactions of Muslims to this cartoon in a Danish newspaper proven that Islam cannot be trusted to be a vital, peaceful, and law-abiding segment of society?
It is looking like yes is the answer to these queries.
We are already approaching this today. In Ontario they have officially outlawed Muslim Sharia law, that law that uses religious precepts to enforce moral and society codes of conduct. And Muslim "family councils" have been stopped where local community groups may supplement Canadian law with their local custom.
Several members of the John Howard administration in Australia have spoken out against Islamic clashes with Western notions of law and societal comportment many times over the last few years.
Recently Howard himself said, "I do think there is this particular complication because there is a fragment which is utterly antagonistic to our kind of society, and that is a difficulty ... You can't find any equivalent in Italian, or Greek, or Lebanese, or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem."
Muslims routinely destroy property, threaten death and bodily harm to those who speak out against them, and they constantly fund terrorism throughout the world. In Syria they have burnt an embassy, in Europe Muslims have been responsible for murdering people who have written out against Islam or made movies, and other forms of art. These actions are also approved by Islamic teachers (Imams) and religious leaders, not just undertaken by warped loners claiming to represent Islam quite against the will of the majority or authority.
With this ridiculous cartoon issue, we have seen that Islam has no sense of perspective. In the west parody or satire is seen as not only common, but completely harmless for the most part. And religion is not immune to parody and satire, though even in the west most people are often uncomfortable with religious satire. Usually only people filled with hate attack religion in parody and most in the West instinctively know this. As a result, most people dismiss such parody as foolishness and bad taste.
But with Muslims overreacting — in western eyes at least — to this silly cartoon issue in the way they have, it becomes nearly impossible for Westerners to view Islam as a peaceful religion, but more as a vicious hate group itself. And that perception is justified with the actions that Muslims have increasingly perpetrated over the ensuing years. So, we find that Islam presents a danger to the safety of the populace all too often. It is violent, oppressive, and reactionary.
But, what is to be done about it? We have been raised to feel that religion should be left untouched by government. Freedom of religion is at the very core of our beliefs. And this concept is an important one to uphold. So, how can we honestly and without hypocrisy begin to look toward making Islam illegal?
There is a parallel of sorts in the USA that might be used as a template for action. The Ku klux Klan.
After the Civil War ended, the KKK arose from the ashes of war as an advocacy group for the disenfranchised white voter in the south. But it quickly became a terrorist organization bent on taking out revenge on the south's newly freed black population for having lost the war. It got so bad that even one of the original organizers, C.S. Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest, denounced the organization and quit it in disgust.
But as the late 1800s rolled on and the south began to re-enter the Union as full partners in government, the KKK began to lose steam and prominence. For a time it subsided. But as the 20th century neared, it re-emerged and this time became a nationwide and powerful force taking on the flavor of religious, civic and racial duty. The KKK became invested in government and claimed millions of members nation wide.
In the 1920s, however, it became too much for a liberty loving country to allow the KKK to any longer exist. In Indiana, the entire state government was scandalized by their fealty to Indiana's Klan leader who had raped and beaten his secretary on a train trip. Violence against and frequent lynching of southern blacks became so pervasive that Congress finally acted and banned the Klan. The organization collapsed never again to reclaim the power and prominence it once had.
Now, the KKK has always based its precepts on Christianity, as well as racial identity. It also reacted with violence, rallies, death threats and killing when it was threatened. It careened far away from being a mere "idea" or religious theology and became a terrorist organization. And it became a terrorist organization even though literally millions of Americans that belonged to or identified with the Klan were not themselves violent, evil, or dangerous citizens.
The leadership of the Klan supported violence. The leadership preached violence. The leadership planned and fomented it. Therefore, it had to go because it became a danger to every law-abiding citizen, whether they agreed with the racial and religious concepts the Klan espoused or not.
Islam has become the KKK of the 21st century. The sooner we awake to this truth and take steps to ban the religion, or somehow curtail its pernicious influence the better. The west is going to have to put sever restrictions on Islamic Mosques and public display of Islam. Further, devout Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office (though it certainly should not become a racial issue — sins of the father should not be visited upon the sons).
This is no religious purge as in centuries past. In the past religions were banned to be replaced by the state sponsored sect and believers of the banned religion were mistreated, tortured, unduly taxed, and terrorized. This is absolutely not the model the west would follow by banning aspects of Islam today. No religion is replacing Islam and no one is suggesting that Muslims be mistreated. But the creed to which they hold is fast becoming the most dangerous one in the world today. It is a fine line that we walk to consider banning Islam, but the safety of society is at risk not to do so.
This is not an easy conclusion at which to arrive. But if we continue to turn a blind eye to the danger that Islam presents to the west, we are signing our own death warrants.
The KKK was put down in the USA and made powerless for the same reason. Communism was destroyed for the same reason, as well. Islam is a danger to the world.
Unfortunately, it is just that simple.
LOL!!! Love it.
Lemme know when the next show starts will ya...
Sounds Great.
All you facists are pretty stupid. The solution is simple, don't let anyone inside the United States. Shut off all immigration, ALL of it. They can't get to us if they aren't here. The muslims here aren't a problem, and you can use the fact that in four years since 9-11 not one terrorist attack has happened on US soil.
BTW why do you deem Islam a crazy cult, when most of you accept the bible as the final truth. Except the bible is full of falsehoods, and contradictions. Two different Gospels tell different cities of christs birth, the bible claims one man and his wife put two of every species onto a boat to save the world from God. It says the world is 4000 years old, when its more like 4 billion, it says all mankind is spawned by Adam and Eve, when we were really a group of mutants from Africa. All religions seem pretty crazy when your looking outside in.
Plus our rights in the constition are natural rights that no man can take away. And any man who tries to take away our natural rights, is himself a tyrant and deserves death himself. So instead of preaching brainwashing, deportation, and genocide, try telling your President to do his job and close our borders, and close immigration to groups who don't mix well with American culture.
Sure you can. Do you prefer having the knife pulled left to right across your neck or the other way? Perhaps a good, old fashioned stoning in the public square. Doing your civic duty to hurl a rock or stop one with your head is such an admirable trait. Getting bombed at the bar takes on a whole new meaning.
I offered an explanation for the behavior. The same behavior that prevents muslims from speaking against Islam also prevents making any headway in dissuading them from practicing Islam. They are no longer free to choose without the threat of execution.
Patrick Henry once said, "Give me liberty, or give me death". If we want liberty, we will have to fight for it. Giving in to Islam means death or slavery. Have a look at Sudan for a current example.
"the meanest, cruelest, lewdest, most sexually deviant, most dishonest, most damaging people I've ever known were 'Christian' (yeah, yeah, I know they weren't really)....but hey...."
I am really very sorry to read this. Hang in there...don't let the enemy win najida. God still loves ya...He's borning ya again hard. Even though we disagree on this thread, i read your page and think your a-ok. Take it ez freeper! :)
You know what? I don't give a crap if it's NOT OK to say! I'm SICK of Islam!
Excuse me, as I go make a sculpture of Mohammed out of Great Dane doggy-doo.
Because in this country, It is my RIGHT to do so!
I don't know who you are talking to. I agree completely with controlling our borders and controlling immigration. As for the rest - can't see how it had anything to do with what I said. Everything I recommended is currently the law of the land. I just think it should be used. So how is that fascist, or do you understand the meaning of the word?
And MineralMan replied:
OK. Contact your Congressman and Senators and tell them to start the process of a Constitutional Amendment. Let me know what they answer.
They will "answer" when one (or more) of our cities lies in smoking ruins.
- John
Obviously, it is not an "option" as far as I am concerned. But be sure to read some of the milquetoast Chamberlain-style ditherings by some others posting here in misguided defense of radical Islam on our own shores.
I don't believe it is Cheerfulness.
More like White Hot Fury!
Can you remember the WTC on 9/11?
Ultimately, if we are not willing to "become as bad as them", we are going to _lose_ this war.
"Preposterous", you will reply.
We confront an enemy whose front columns slay babies and revel in doing so.
Even the Nazis (the Japanese, less so) respected some provisions of the Geneva Convention during the Second World War (at least regarding prisoners of war).
But the Islamics will respect nothing "of the West", and will stop at nothing to win. They will wage a totally uncivilized war (as much as war itself can be "civilized", something of an anamoly) against us.
One cannot play a life-or-death struggle with one's opponent "by the rules" if the opponent will not abide by the same rules as you.
Thus, we face a conflict in which our own self-imposed rules could be our undoing.
As grim as it seems, to win we may ultimately be forced out of necessity to abandon (from our side) dearly-held notions and precepts about the nature of our enemy and the war we must wage against it.
We may _need to_ "become as bad as them", in order to DEFEAT them, because there will be no other choice. I wish I could be more optimistic, but I am not.
If we have to kill 10,000 of them "to win", is it worth it?
If we have to kill 100,000 of them "to win", is it worth it?
If we have to kill 1,000,000 of them "to win", is it worth it?
If we have to kill 100,000,000 of them "to win", is it still worth it?
If it IS NOT worth doing what we must to win, we will LOSE. Is THAT worth it?
- John
To your face, yet they pray to Allah to destroy all who
will not submit.
We need to find out why
Because they lie for their beliefs.
and help them fix the silence
Why did the image of Bill Murray just pop into my
head as he smiles and hugs Abdul and says "come
on Abdul, you can tell me." [grin] "Come on, you know
you can talk to me."
while we track the murdering, sadistic thugs who kill in their name.
yet help them achieve everything they ever wished for.
The Socialist isn't a Communist because he knows
America can be taken over without a revolution.
An Islamist knows he doesn't have to kill nonbelievers
because someone else's son will do it for him, Bismillah.
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