Swedish churchs are a sea of grey heads.
Once they die, most of the churches will probably close.
Ping to the Swedish Ping List.FYI. Both lists?
Thanks for posting.
I had a very similar discussion with a French girl. In the end, when she had no logical means of escaping a contradiction, simply said that the French give little thought to questions of morality or the origins of rights. It would be silly to do such, apparently.
But when she conceded that she judges pedophiles, she stumbled again, and grew indignant. Our conversation ended abruptly only moments later, and I am sad to say our previous good relations were never the same again.
Hopefully the author's friend opened her mind (funny how liberals claim to be exclusively open-minded) a little bit, but based on the reactions (the same type I get with liberal 'friends' during discussions such as this) of the friend, I seriously doubt it.
I happen to think that there are many people who are born gay. Let's call them "authentically gay". I also happen to think that the line in the Bible that says "a man shall not lie with another man" is addressed to heterosexuals, and G-d is saying "it's okay for THEM to do that, but don't YOU go mimicking their behavior.
There are lots of examples of people who aren't authentically gay finding themselves in situations where they engage in gay sex, such as criminals in prisons, men who were sexually abused by pedophiles during their youth which screwed up their heads, and art school students who think that it's a rite of passage to have a gay fling. All of these examples fall under the heading of sexually deviant behavior along the lines of what took place in Ancient Rome.
I'm against gay marriage not because I want to deny authentically gay people the right to legitimize their relationships. I'm against gay marriage because laws are written in very general terms. So if gay marriage is legalized, the law won't make any reference to being gay or straight. So we'll just have a situation where our government makes no distinction between homosexuality and heterosexuality, in terms of one being considered normal and the other abnormal.
So our government will basically be telling people "don't assume that a hetero marriage is right for you and that a homo marriage is wrong for you, so keep your mind open to going either way". Such a society is inviting people who aren't authentically gay to engage in "sexual experimentation", which is another term for sexually deviant behavior.
Is it supposed to say massage in the title?
as you might expect, there was a lot of sex on the channels (NOT cable, these were the regular TV channels!!!).
so, that's what you would expect on sweden you might say? well,*every single one* of the sex programs was gay or lesbian, or sado-masochist, or violent or something. there were *NO* depictions i could tell of normal heterosexual sex.
my lasting impression of sweden is one of degeneracy... i really feel sorry for the swedes.
Spot on. America is just a step or two behind. Sadly, it is evident even in many of the churches that *ought* to be truth and light.
Two comments:
- A lot, if not most, of my friends and acquaintence who are in favor of normalizing gay relationships into marriage just go nuts when you try to argue the subject from any kind of logical viewpoint, esp. if you try to interject morality. Apparently, most of them just think they're 'enlightened' enough not to have ours laws support what they consider the purely religious position regarding traditional marriage.
- I've never heard of Sweden having this kind of crime problem, and have always read just the opposite. I'm open to learn something different, but I'd really like to see other sources besides this.
Thanks,
-- Joe
Here's some tidbits from listening to shows to www.krla870.com (KRLA in Los Angeles).
Michael Medved read some stats from document prepared by Swedish economists that
revealed that their socialist state is headed down the road to financial challenges.
IIRC, there was some sort of projection that in the not-distant future, the
average wage/worth in the USA would exceed that of Sweden, plus other factors
were going to go against Sweden.
And Dennis Prager had a (unbelievably) conservative economics professor
who is actually tenured at a Swedish university. He also painted a
fairly gloomy economic picture for Sweden. The fellow had a really thick accent...
because he came to Sweden from South America (Peru?) and he saw that the
Swedes were making a lot of the same mistakes that his home country did 30-40 years ago.
What are the gun laws like in Sweden? I'm sure that would have some bearing on the crime rate and types of crimes committed.
They use the argument of "how is the action of someone thousands of miles away harming you?" Using that logic, a pedophile in California raping and killing a child thousand miles away from where I live is none of my concern. So then what's next for these a liberal morality types? Public bestiality ?
One of the effects of US military hegemony in the world has been to let our allies lose their edge and slip into an unmanly torpor. They no longer have to fear the enemy so they indulge their whims and fantasies knowing that somewhere the adults are in charge looking after them.
I'm old enough to have been long exposed over the years to the left-liberal line that Sweden was a model of what we should become. At the same time, I read regularly that Sweden had one of the highest suicide rates in the world. I always wondered how this computed.
Having had similar conversations with Europeans, this all sounds depressingly familiar.
