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Darwin's warm pond theory tested
BBC News ^ | 13February2006 | Rebecca Morelle

Posted on 02/16/2006 6:00:37 PM PST by jwalsh07

Life on Earth was unlikely to have emerged from volcanic springs or hydrothermal vents, according to a leading US researcher.

Experiments carried out in volcanic pools suggest they do not provide the right conditions to spawn life.

The findings are being discussed at an international two-day meeting to explore the latest thinking on the origin of life on Earth.

It is taking place at the Royal Society in London.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: evocrevo; science
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To: fizziwig
Maybe there are some things that just cannot be proved through science

Nothing can be proved by science. Science only provides a method for explanation not proof.

21 posted on 02/16/2006 7:09:42 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: jwalsh07
"Do you think it a bit presumptuous to go through life thinking that only you are capable of reading and understanding basic English?"

Gosh, how did you get to be spring-loaded to the pissed-off position? The point I was making is precisely the point most creationists and ID-iots seem to miss.

Nice talking to you.

22 posted on 02/16/2006 7:14:32 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: jec41

"Nothing can be proved by science. Science only provides a method for explanation not proof."
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Hmmm. well science has proved the earth is round, that the planets rotate around the sun, that dinosaurs existed...etc etc

How about this..."Maybe there are some things that just cannot be explained through science."


23 posted on 02/16/2006 7:38:55 PM PST by fizziwig (Democrats: so far off the path, so incredibly vicious, so sadly pathetic.)
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To: manwiththehands
There are simply too many unanswered questions for either evolution OR ID to claim victory or scientific "proof".

What does this article have to do with evolution? It offered no information for or against ID either. What are you talking about.

24 posted on 02/16/2006 7:41:03 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: manwiththehands
1+1=2 Scientific proof.

That's mathematics, not "science". But of course you knew that.

Semantically, there is no "proof" in science.

25 posted on 02/16/2006 7:43:07 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: manwiththehands
"There is no such thing as scientific proof."
1+1=2

Scientific proof.

(scoff)

You might want look up the definition of mathemathics and science. They are different fields of study and method. However since you would try to frunish proof through mathemathics here are some proprositions.
1+1=2
.99+.99=2
.98+.98=2
.97+.97=2
.96+.96=2
.95+.95=2
.95+1.04=2
1.0000000000000000001+1.00999999999999=2
.99=1
.98=1
.97=1
.96=1
.95=1
1.0000000000000000001=1
1.0099999999999999999=1
and the numerbers and symbols are infinate. Where is your simple proof that 1+1=2 or the only varations of 1 that produces 2. You cannot even prove that .999999999999999999 is or is not 1. Its by limits not proof.
26 posted on 02/16/2006 7:44:40 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: fizziwig
science has proved the earth is round, that the planets rotate around the sun

Maybe space-time is merely warped to make the earth look round?

27 posted on 02/16/2006 7:45:59 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: narby

Maybe.


28 posted on 02/16/2006 7:48:02 PM PST by fizziwig (Democrats: so far off the path, so incredibly vicious, so sadly pathetic.)
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To: jwalsh07

The "theory" of how the first living cell came to be has always intrigued me. No matter what anyone calculates as the odds against it, naturalists will always reply that, "given enough time and space, anything can happen."

So how could this "theory" possibly be disproven? It can't be disproven. But, as evolutionists constantly claim, that means it is unscientific! Remember, a theory must be "falsifiable" to be scientific.

The idea that science will someday be able to explain the first living cell by purely naturalistic means (with no intelligent design) is really just a hope and a dream (or an assumption) of evolutionists. The problem is that they have a very bad habit of confusing those hopes and dreams (and assumptions) with science.


29 posted on 02/16/2006 7:49:27 PM PST by RussP
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To: narby

Good point. Since the announcement that two more dimensions of "time" may have been found, space could well be wrapped around the ever present existential "I", and everything else could be little more than a projection of some sort.


30 posted on 02/16/2006 7:51:09 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: jwalsh07

Warm pond? I thought this thread was going to be about peeing in the pool.


31 posted on 02/16/2006 7:52:28 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: adorno
"Wonder what other parts of Darwin's theory will remain unprovable."

Co-inkydinkily, I just read this yesterday:

http://www.alternativescience.com/darwinism.htm/

32 posted on 02/16/2006 7:54:38 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: narby
science has proved the earth is round, that the planets rotate around the sun

Maybe space-time is merely warped to make the earth look round?

Maybe arguing logic with liberals and evolutionists is equally pointless.

33 posted on 02/16/2006 7:55:48 PM PST by GSHastings
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To: groanup
My thoughts exactly. I immediately thought of:

Ruprecht: "May I go the bathroom?"

M. Cain : "Why certainly,...."

Ruprecht: [slumps in chair relieving himself]

.,..Classic.

34 posted on 02/16/2006 7:58:20 PM PST by sayfer bullets
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To: muawiyah
Good point. Since the announcement that two more dimensions of "time" may have been found, space could well be wrapped around the ever present existential "I", and everything else could be little more than a projection of some sort.

The very same hypothesis I always seemed to end up pondering whenever I was stoned in the 70's.

Coincidence?

35 posted on 02/16/2006 8:01:06 PM PST by GSHastings
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To: adorno; jwalsh07; Eastbound; PatrickHenry
Wonder what other parts of Darwin's theory will remain unprovable.

Wonder when people will ever bother to learn enough about biology and/or Darwin to snap to the fact that the origin of life is in no way any part of "Darwin's theory".

Evolutionary biology, and Darwin's writings about it, deal entirely with how life changes once it's here, not how it started or where it came from.

While it's true that biologists investigate *both* fields of study (as well as many others), they are *different* fields of biology. Origin of life questions are no part of "Darwin's theory" or evolutionary biology, just as where the atmosphere may have come from originally is no part of (and irrelevant to) meteorology, which is the study of how the atmosphere behaves and changes now that it's here.

36 posted on 02/16/2006 8:02:38 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: GSHastings
Maybe arguing logic with liberals and evolutionists is equally pointless.

Maybe if someone would ever start arguing with "evolutionists" based on logic, we'd actually be able to test that hypothesis. Almost without exception, though, people end up trying to argue against evolutionary biology via misrepresentations, misunderstandings, fallacies, and lies (2). Hearing anti-evolutionists try to "refute" biology (and physics, and geology, and...) is like listening to a Michael Moore fan try to dispute conservatism, and for exactly the same reasons.

37 posted on 02/16/2006 8:08:42 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: fizziwig
science has proved the earth is round

When and where?

..."Maybe there are some things that just cannot be explained through science."

How about this, we start with the definition of science and its method. Science is the observation of a material thing that exists in nature (fact) and there is evidence and empirical evidence for the fact and would provide a logical explanation (theory) for the observance of the fact. You are correct, science cannot explain everything. By definition it cannot explain the unknown or something that occurs that is not of a material existence. It cannot explain any faith or belief of the unknown or gravity. Faith and belief are observed by philosophy, gravity is observed by mathematics.

38 posted on 02/16/2006 8:09:53 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: Ichneumon
Evolutionary biology, and Darwin's writings about it, deal entirely with how life changes once it's here, not how it started or where it came from.

That simply doesn't matter. They both attempt to explain the complexity of life, either it's origins, or its variations, with a mechanism that has no possibility of producing those results.

And that mechanism is the same. Chance events, and long periods of time, combine (with the help of another inadequate factor in the case of evolution...selection) to produce the most complex, intricate, and purposeful structures known.

39 posted on 02/16/2006 8:15:18 PM PST by GSHastings
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To: Ichneumon
Maybe if someone would ever start arguing with "evolutionists" based on logic, we'd actually be able to test that hypothesis.

So then, the Earth isn't round, and planets don't go around the Sun, and science never proved it, and is not capable of proving it because science can't prove anything. Is that your position?

40 posted on 02/16/2006 8:18:57 PM PST by GSHastings
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