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Saddam general: WMDs in Syria
WDN ^ | February 15, 2006

Posted on 02/15/2006 7:17:59 AM PST by Kaslin

Another former confidant of ex-dictator makes claim, also links Iraq to al-Qaida

A former general and friend of Saddam Hussein who defected but maintains close contact with Iraq claims the regime supported al-Qaida with intelligence, finances and munitions and believes weapons of mass destruction are hidden in Syria.

Ali Ibrahim al-Tikriti, southern regional commander for Saddam Hussein's Fedayeen militia in the late 1980s, spoke with Ryan Mauro of WorldThreats.com.

Known as the "Butcher of Basra," al-Tikriti commanded units that dealt with chemical and biological weapons. He defected shortly before the Gulf War in 1991.

Last month, Saddam Hussein's No. 2 Air Force officer, Georges Sada, told the New York Sun Iraq's weapons of mass destruction were moved to Syria six weeks before the war started. Sada claimed two Iraqi Airways Boeing jets converted to cargo planes moved the weapons in a total of 56 flights. They attracted little attention, he said, because they were thought to be civilian flights providing relief from Iraq to Syria, which had suffered a flood after a dam collapse in 2002.

Discussing Saddam's support of terrorism, al-Tikriti said the dictator's regime sponsored Palestinian groups with logistical and material support.

For a time, support for al-Qaida was limited, the former general said, mainly because al-Qaida's aim was to create an Islamic empire while Saddam wanted a secular Arab nationalist empire.

"They only really came to terms in the mid '90s due to the fact that both knew they shared the same short-term enemy," the general said. "Once they came to terms on this, Saddam provided al-Qaida with intelligence support and whatever money or munitions they could provide."

Al-Tikriti said Saddam "had very long-standing contacts in the black market as well as with Moscow and would provide whatever munitions he could through these contacts."

The secular Baathists and radical Islamists certainly are able to put aside their differences to cooperate against the U.S., he insisted.

"If you look in Iraq today, you are witnessing Arab nationalist terrorist organizations and Islamist terrorist organizations working together to fight the United States."

Al-Tikriti dismissed the commonly heard claim that the U.S. helped bring Saddam to power, calling it "absolutely ludicrous."

The Baathist revolution, he said, was backed by the Soviet Union because of the shared socialist ideology.

"I was there helping with the revolution and worked on two occasions with Soviet KGB officials to help train us, much like the United States did with the Taliban during the Soviet campaign in Afghanistan," he said. "The United States never directly gave us any WMDs but rather ingredients. They were not mixed and these 'ingredients' could have been easily used for commercial use but were rather used to build low life chemical weapons."

Al-Tikriti says he knows Saddam's weapons are in Syria because of contingency plans established as far back as the late 1980s, in the event either Damascus or Baghdad were taken over.

"Not to mention, I have discussed this in-depth with various contacts of mine who have confirmed what I already knew," he said.

Saddam, after lying for so many years, knew the U.S. eventually would come for the weapons, he said, and wanted to maintain legitimacy with pan-Arab nationalists.

Also, he had "wanted since he took power to embarrass the West, and this was the perfect opportunity to do so," al-Tikriti said.

"After Saddam denied he had such weapons, why would he use them or leave them readily available to be found?" he said. "That would only legitimize President Bush, who he has a personal grudge against."

What we are witnessing now, he said, "is many who opposed the war to begin with are rallying around Saddam saying we overthrew a sovereign leader based on a lie about WMD. This is exactly what Saddam wanted and predicted."

Al-Tikriti said he turned against the Baath Party after his wife stood up to him and questioned his brutal tactics.

"This really made me think, because no one has ever even considered to question the tactics of myself or any others and lived to tell about it," he said. "This courageous move made me think deep and hard."

Al-Tikriti said he still maintains good sources inside and outside of Iraq.

"Some of Saddam's key scientists are personal friends of mine, as well as other key leaders in the former Iraqi military," he said. "I have helped draw information since my defecting to the United States government voluntarily and with the permission of these contacts. The only difference between many of them and I, is that I had the opportunity to defect and they didn't."



TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; sada; saddam; syria; wmd
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Comment #21 Removed by Moderator

To: Kaslin

Somehow I think this guy has a bit more credibility than Sada, but it's still mostly hearsay. But the only hearsay that makes the evening news is anti-Bush hearsay, so we will not see this anywhere but here.


22 posted on 02/15/2006 7:59:34 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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23 posted on 02/15/2006 7:59:34 AM PST by lesser_satan
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To: dropandgimme20

Don't be so touchy newby. There's plenty of dissenting and contrasting opinion around here. I'll tell you what newby, parroting the DU line is not considered dissenting opinion here.


26 posted on 02/15/2006 8:24:18 AM PST by ladtx ("It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it." -- -- General Douglas MacArthur)
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To: dropandgimme20

The way that it works is that newcomers who come in with an attitude usually don't register too high on the credibility meter with most people here.


27 posted on 02/15/2006 8:25:51 AM PST by jpl ("We don't negotiate with terrorists, we put them out of business." - Scott McClellan)
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To: All; Kaslin

I heard on the radio news this morning that ABC Nightly News and Nightline will be telling about the tapes recently found with Saddam Hussein talking about a big attack on the US and his WMD program. They say that the tapes were made about a decade ago. TUNE IN TONIGHT.


28 posted on 02/15/2006 8:30:07 AM PST by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: Kaslin

bttt


29 posted on 02/15/2006 8:31:23 AM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: mothball; Tulsa Ramjet; Steve_Seattle
"I'm positive that this will be all over the news tonight."

See my posting at #28.

30 posted on 02/15/2006 8:35:35 AM PST by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: dropandgimme20

And another poseur troll bites the dust. Been nice talking to you, but don't come back.


31 posted on 02/15/2006 8:50:03 AM PST by jpl ("We don't negotiate with terrorists, we put them out of business." - Scott McClellan)
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To: Steve_Seattle
Somehow I think this guy has a bit more credibility than Sada, but it's still mostly hearsay. But the only hearsay that makes the evening news is anti-Bush hearsay, so we will not see this anywhere but here.

Georges Sada has very much credibility. He was Saddam's trusted adviser and Saddam trusted him because he spoke the truth to him. He told him flat in the face when he disagreed with him

Neverthe less the more that come out with this the better for us

32 posted on 02/15/2006 8:58:10 AM PST by Kaslin ("Hindsight alone is not wisdom, and second-guessing is not a strategy" President G.W. Bush)
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33 posted on 02/15/2006 8:59:41 AM PST by Wiz (News hyaena providing you news with spice of acid)
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To: Spunky
"ABC Nightly News and Nightline will be telling about the tapes recently found with Saddam Hussein talking about a big attack on the US and his WMD program."

ReallY? No kidding? I will be shocked if you are not kidding.
34 posted on 02/15/2006 9:15:34 AM PST by Earthdweller ("West to Islam" Cake. Butter your liberals, slowly cook France, stir in Europe then watch it rise.)
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To: Kaslin
Since 2003, I find it hard to believe with ALL the raiding of Iraq's government offices, facilities, and computers, scientists, and defectors, we haven't been able to come up with SOLID documented evidence of WMDs.

They couldn't have covered their tracks THAT well, could they?

35 posted on 02/15/2006 9:20:22 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
They couldn't have covered their tracks THAT well, could they?

Bear in mind that they had well in excess of a year, almost a year and a half actually.

Also, Stephen Hayes at the Weekly Standard wrote an article not that long ago in which he said that our government isn't even remotely close to having translated all of the audiotapes and written documentation that we recovered in Iraq. We've apparently only translated a small fraction of it, which is rather amazing, but we have a definite of shortage of people in America who have both the skill set and the desire to do this kind of work.

36 posted on 02/15/2006 9:34:17 AM PST by jpl ("We don't negotiate with terrorists, we put them out of business." - Scott McClellan)
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To: Earthdweller
"ReallY? No kidding? I will be shocked if you are not kidding."

If you haven't already run across this thread go here:Secret Saddam WMD Tapes Subject of ABC Nightline Special

37 posted on 02/15/2006 10:08:03 AM PST by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: Spunky

Yep I've been on it. Thanks for the heads up.


38 posted on 02/15/2006 10:10:50 AM PST by Earthdweller ("West to Islam" Cake. Butter your liberals, slowly cook France, stir in Europe then watch it rise.)
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To: F16Fighter
They couldn't have covered their tracks THAT well, could they?

It's obvious they did. However the only ones Saddam was able to fool was the anti war crowd and the left. I doubt he was able to fool anyone else. Certainly not me

39 posted on 02/15/2006 10:51:48 AM PST by Kaslin ("Hindsight alone is not wisdom, and second-guessing is not a strategy" President G.W. Bush)
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To: jpl; F16Fighter

"Bear in mind that they had well in excess of a year, almost a year and a half actually."



And, it's even longer than that when you consider the previous inspections and scrutiny Saddam was under for more than a decade. As David Kay noted, while they may not have found "stockpiles" of WMDs, Saddam was embarking on a different strategy as it related to his weapons programs.

It was no longer prudent for Saddam to just keep large quanitities of the finished product for anyone discover. Instead of importing and stockpiling, Saddam began acquiring the raw materials and technology to produce the product, himself, whenever needed.

As Scott Ritter even noted in 1998 (during his sane days), Saddam was putting the pieces in place so that he could reconstitute his weapons program in a matter of months. After being bombed for years and suffering through inspections, it only makes sense that Saddam would forego the "stockpile" risk and engage in a process of raw development that could be deployed in short notice.

It should be noted that David Kay is also one of those who says that Saddam did move much of this material to Syria. During an interview while he was in the UK, he specifically mentions this from interviews he gather after the invasion. When you consider these sources and those from Israeli Intelligence, it's a good bet the WMDs are in Syria.

If I recall, there was even a story of WMDs discovered in Jordan, which were thought to come from Iraq via Syria since neither of those countries had the resources to produce those materials. I think it's only a matter of time before this charade is exposed.


40 posted on 02/15/2006 11:08:30 AM PST by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *asses)
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