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Bloomberg Begs for More Crime
The New York Post ^ | Feb. 12, 2006 | New York Post Editorial

Posted on 02/12/2006 4:48:30 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds

Mayor Bloomberg's recently announced budget includes jacking up the city's tax on cigarettes another 50 cents.

Says Mike: "There's a clear correlation . . . You raise your cigarette taxes, fewer children go and smoke."

Actually, according to the Centers for Disease Control, New Yorkers' smoking habits mirror national trends; tax hikes have no evident effect. But that's beside the point.

The mayor really should deal with certainties — one of them being that organized crime would make a killing.

New York's history with cigarette taxes is a long, sordid and embarrassing tale, as documented in an insightful study by Patrick Fleenor.

The city's first tax on smokes came in 1938 and was, like all new taxes, "temporary." Politicians assumed the penny-per-pack levy would be innocuous.

The reverse was true: Cigarette bootlegging, crime associated with bootlegging and "border-shopping" (buying smokes from outside New York) immediately became problems.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bloomberg; bootlegging; crime; pufflist; tax
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The law of "unintended consequences"... This is a perfect illustration and an amazing history.
1 posted on 02/12/2006 4:48:32 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: Gabz; SheLion
Words of wisdom </snort> per the mayor...

Mayor Bloomberg's recently announced budget includes jacking up the city's tax on cigarettes another 50 cents.

Says Mike: "There's a clear correlation . . . You raise your cigarette taxes, fewer children go and smoke."

2 posted on 02/12/2006 4:53:09 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

How much are cigarettes up there now? At one time I heard they were $50-$60 a carton.


3 posted on 02/12/2006 5:00:55 AM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
Actually, according to the Centers for Disease Control, New Yorkers' smoking habits mirror national trends; tax hikes have no evident effect.

This is what they are counting on, that the smokers will still smoke thereby funding government coffers with new tax money. It has nothing to do with keeping children from smoking.

4 posted on 02/12/2006 5:03:55 AM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: DumpsterDiver

I still get irritated that this guy calls himself a Republican. I wish there was a mechanism for kicking people OUT of the party.


5 posted on 02/12/2006 5:06:28 AM PST by Ronin (When the fox gnaws.... SMILE!!!)
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To: PistolPaknMama
How much are cigarettes up there now? At one time I heard they were $50-$60 a carton.

$70.00 a carton in most parts of the city.

6 posted on 02/12/2006 5:07:36 AM PST by Larry381 (Google-the search engine of the Democrat party)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
"There's a clear correlation . . . You raise your cigarette taxes, fewer children go and smoke."

Only liberals would use taxes to raise the crime rate by saying "We're doing it for the children".

Bloomberg should retake an Economics 101 class. Supply and demand sets the price for a commodity -- not taxes.

7 posted on 02/12/2006 5:09:23 AM PST by Noachian (To control the courts the people must first control their Congress.)
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To: Larry381

Yeah, jack up those taxes!

Then I think I'll invest in a few thousand dollars of cigarettes here in NH and drive my truck and trailer down to NYC on the weekends and make a killing!

Wahoooo!


8 posted on 02/12/2006 5:10:25 AM PST by MaDeuce (Do it to them, before they do it to you!)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

The best way to reduce crime is to make more things legal.


9 posted on 02/12/2006 5:12:40 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: PistolPaknMama
About three years ago then-Governor Davis announced that cigarette taxes had brought about a 30% reduction in smoking in California.

In a separate article published the same day, the man who headed up the Franchise Tax Board said that he didn't know if the number of smokers had declined, but there was a 30% drop in tax revenue from cigarettes.

He further stated that he suspected people were buying their smokes elsewhere.

10 posted on 02/12/2006 5:13:34 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: PistolPaknMama
Last I heard tax revenues from tobacco are down dramatically here in NYC. If I remember right about 50%. Has nothing to do with people who stop smoking because people here are either buying their smokes on Long Island or on the Internet. BTW Spitzer our Attorney General buffoon is now actively going after people who buy them on the Internet and hitting them with horrific penalties.
11 posted on 02/12/2006 5:14:29 AM PST by Larry381 (Google-the search engine of the Democrat party)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

They'll never learn ... all they think about is the easy tax money


12 posted on 02/12/2006 5:25:52 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Noachian

Bloomberg is a RINO, on a good day! The rest of the time he is just another liberal idiot!
No funds donated for Republican efforts should ever cross his desk!


13 posted on 02/12/2006 5:27:41 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (MAY I DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
RINOs are dangerous to your health.
14 posted on 02/12/2006 5:29:52 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: MaDuce
Yeah, jack up those taxes!

Then I think I'll invest in a few thousand dollars of cigarettes here in NH and drive my truck and trailer down to NYC on the weekends and make a killing!

To carry that line of thought a bit further - just imagine that underage persons resort to dealing in contraband tobacco and move on to prostitute themselves, and theft to pay for tobacco, them they arm themselves to protect their cache of illegal commodity that the police will not protect. - Sounds familiar doesn't it?

15 posted on 02/12/2006 5:35:38 AM PST by winston2 (In matters of necessity let there be unity, in matters of doubt liberty, and in all things charity:)
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To: DumpsterDiver; The Foolkiller; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; kattracks; ...
Mayor Bloomberg's recently announced budget includes jacking up the city's tax on cigarettes another 50 cents.

Says Mike: "There's a clear correlation . . . You raise your cigarette taxes, fewer children go and smoke."

He is one sorry idiot!  Little Hitler of New York City!



16 posted on 02/12/2006 5:45:20 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Ronin
One thing he is good at.....firing a $30,000 a year worker for having a solitaire game on his desktop computer, while Iris Weinshall, (Schumer's wife) keeps her job as Transportation Commissioner following a fatal ferry accident that cost the lives of 11 people and injured over one hundred.

Firing a guy who stepped outside to smoke while on the job and keeping the head of Children's Services while babies are murdered regularly who were under his department's auspices.

17 posted on 02/12/2006 5:56:52 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: DumpsterDiver

New York City: A PAIN IN THE BUTTS Smokers, beware.

Bloomberg told reporters yesterday he would like to boost cigarette taxes by 50 cents a pack in the city, which would raise the overall city tax to $2 a pack on top of the $1.50 state tax.

New York City Smokers are in trouble: WEB BUYERS $MOKED OUT

Price-conscious smokers who thought they landed fantastic bargains on the Internet have been hit by the city with bills totaling nearly $1.4 million, officials said yesterday.

A crackdown on tax-free cigarette sales on the Web hauled in $695,479 from 2,156 puffers out of the $1,354,880 demanded in the first round of bills sent out to 3,780 New York City residents through May

18 posted on 02/12/2006 6:01:23 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: DumpsterDiver

19 posted on 02/12/2006 6:02:05 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: All
Well, here is one alternative:

Can't stand the high taxes?

Afraid to order off of the Internet?

Then start rolling your own!!! I find everything but the machine downtown at the local Smoke Shop.  Also, Rite Aid and grocery stores also sell the bags of tobacco and the filtered tubes.

I roll out a beautiful carton for a little under $8 dollars.  Premiums in my state are now up to $45-$50 a carton.  Can you imagine the money I have saved over the past 4 years since I now roll my own?  It's mind boggling.

under $50.00

Check StuffYourOwn for prices on tobacco

$1.99 for 200 filtered tubes

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-Stop Paying High Cigarette Taxes
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and

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20 posted on 02/12/2006 6:03:13 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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