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Their Own Version of a Big Bang: A creative & effective challenge to the "science" of Darwinism
LA Times ^ | 11 Feb 2006 | Stephanie Simon

Posted on 02/11/2006 8:38:29 PM PST by Greg o the Navy

WAYNE, N.J. — Evangelist Ken Ham smiled at the 2,300 elementary students packed into pews, their faces rapt. With dinosaur puppets and silly cartoons, he was training them to reject much of geology, paleontology and evolutionary biology as a sinister tangle of lies.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: calvarytemple; creation; creationism; crevolist; evolution; kenham; nj; passaiccounty; preaknessave; religion; wayne
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To: TheBrotherhood
"'Excuse me, were you there?' Can you remember that?"
I like that so much that I think I'm gonna use it whenever I debate in the crevo threads. It makes for a great counterpoint to the darwinists' nonsense. Oh yeah!

Will work just as well for some Nazi on a thread about Holocaust denial, too.

41 posted on 02/11/2006 9:26:28 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: LiteKeeper
Recent studies have reduced the oldest Egyptian dates to less than 2500 BC. You might want to research that. Even so, YEC'ists assert that the Earth was created around 4000 BC...so your point is moot.

I have personally obtained radiocarbon dates well in excess of 4000 BC. I think your "recent studies" (which you did not actually cite) are wrong.

The oldest radiocarbon date which is considered reliable in the western US is 13,400 BP (before present). This was from a human skeleton on Santa Rosa Island.

By the way, there is a mtDNA sequence on the western coast of North America extending some 11,000 years, from southern Alaska to the tip of South America. The mutations in the haplogroup can even identify the direction of migration!

When you say that science is all BS, you have an uphill battle supporting your contention.

42 posted on 02/11/2006 9:28:15 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan

Darwiinists are a major embarrassment to mankind for refusing to admit forthrightly the pathetic bankruptcy of their faith system to acocunt for the origins of life in a universe less than 15 billion years old.


43 posted on 02/11/2006 9:32:17 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Coyoteman
When you say that science is all BS, you have an uphill battle supporting your contention.

Thank you for your reply. You spoiled it, however, with the above sentence. I did not say anything of the kind, nor do I believe it to be true. Just couldn't resist throwing stones, eh?

44 posted on 02/11/2006 9:33:58 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: Coyoteman

14 dating carbon isn't exact. Oftentimes the dating can be wrong by several thousands years, I've read.

I'm no scientist and neither do I play one on TV. Just old plain, old-fashioned common sense and unshakable reasoning capabilities.


45 posted on 02/11/2006 9:35:09 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (Randomness does not create intelligence; only intelligence creates intelligence.)
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To: Strategerist
Carbon-14 dating has nothing to do with dating the age of the earth.

Did I say anything about the age of the Earth? Don't believe so. I simply asked a question about the age limits.

46 posted on 02/11/2006 9:35:24 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: LiteKeeper

I believe it's somewhere around 50,000 years.


47 posted on 02/11/2006 9:38:24 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Coyoteman

See original source for notes:
http://www.mos.org/evolution/fossils/fossilview.php?fid=24

Yea, so??? I still see no proof on that link. Please provide it.


48 posted on 02/11/2006 9:39:07 PM PST by Coleus (RU-486 Kills babies and their mothers, Bush can stop this as Clinton started it through exec. order)
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To: TheBrotherhood
I'm no scientist...

Could have fooled me.

49 posted on 02/11/2006 9:39:33 PM PST by tarator
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To: Coyoteman

"a small piece of evidence for evolution"

An isolated fossil - determined to be male and nicknamed MRS. Ples?!

Yea, right. :-) I don't think so.


50 posted on 02/11/2006 9:43:32 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (outside a good dog, a book is your best friend. inside a dog it's too dark to read)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan

Not only that, but you ignore the Glory and grandeur of the Lord. To be so arrogant to think that God does His work on a mere human scale is small-minded.


51 posted on 02/11/2006 9:43:54 PM PST by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: Coleus

If you want an overview of scientific dating techniques take a look at the link I posted before:

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-youngearth.html

If all you read is science articles in the mainstream media you're not going to see technical discussions of how things are dated.

It's a technical, painstaking, and rather boring process; and keep in mind that I doubt 1 in 300 people you met walking down an average street in America could accurately tell you what an "Isotope" was so that drives what discussion of the subject you'll see in the media.



52 posted on 02/11/2006 9:44:24 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: tarator

"Could have fooled me."

Hence the disclaimer. It is not my intention to fool anyone. I'm only interested in the truth.


53 posted on 02/11/2006 9:45:58 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (Randomness does not create intelligence; only intelligence creates intelligence.)
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To: tarator

"Could have fooled me."

Hence the disclaimer. It is not my intention to fool anyone. I'm only interested in the truth.


54 posted on 02/11/2006 9:45:58 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (Randomness does not create intelligence; only intelligence creates intelligence.)
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To: Greg o the Navy
"Boys and girls," Ham said. If a teacher so much as mentions evolution, or the Big Bang, or an era when dinosaurs ruled the Earth, "you put your hand up and you say, 'Excuse me, were you there?' Can you remember that?"

I like this, when someone tells you God created the universe,"you put your hand up and you say, 'Excuse me, were you there?' Can you remember that?"

When someone tells you about Ark and flood, "you put your hand up and you say, 'Excuse me, were you there?' Can you remember that?"

When anyone tells you anything about the Bible "you put your hand up and you say, 'Excuse me, were you there?' Can you remember that?

This thought is more primitive and suppressive than Islam.

55 posted on 02/11/2006 9:46:46 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: Coyoteman

Dogma: ANY doctrine (religious or scientific) that is proclaimed as true without proof - and often widely accepted as true by true believers.


56 posted on 02/11/2006 9:47:35 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (outside a good dog, a book is your best friend. inside a dog it's too dark to read)
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To: All

I swear I didn't click twice.

How did that double post happened?


57 posted on 02/11/2006 9:47:51 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (Randomness does not create intelligence; only intelligence creates intelligence.)
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To: TheBrotherhood

"I'm only interested in the truth.:

Then perhaps you should seek it.


58 posted on 02/11/2006 9:48:39 PM PST by stormer (Get your bachelors, masters, or doctorate now at home in your spare time!)
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To: Wormwood

Marduk is nothing more than a NIMROD.


59 posted on 02/11/2006 9:49:41 PM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Coyoteman
Is it true that carbon-14 tests have been performed on living animals with results that show them to be thousands of years old?
60 posted on 02/11/2006 9:50:21 PM PST by Mulch (tm)
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