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Science losing war over evolution? Harvard Screening airs evolution versus ID debate
Harvard Gazette ^ | 02/09/2006 | Alvin Powell, Harvard news Office

Posted on 02/10/2006 10:18:17 AM PST by SirLinksalot

Science losing war over evolution?

Screening airs evolution versus intelligent design debate

By Alvin Powell

Harvard News Office

This just in from the front lines of the battle between evolution and intelligent design: evolution is losing.

That's the assessment of Randy Olson, a Harvard-trained evolutionary biologist turned filmmaker who explored the debate in a new film, "Flock of Dodos: The Evolution - Intelligent Design Circus," which was screened Monday (Feb. 6) at the Harvard Museum of Natural History.

Evolutionary biologist and filmmaker Randy Olson greets audience members before the screening of his film. Featuring Harvard faculty as well as scenes shot within the museum, the 90-minute film strikes a humorous tone as it explores the debate, poking a bit of fun at both intelligent design and the scientific community.

Though Olson is obviously on the side of evolution, he exposes the shortcomings of both sides. He portrays intelligent designers as energetic, likeable people who compensate for their shaky theory's shortcomings through organization, personal appeal, and money. Scientists, on the other hand, squander their factual edge through indifference and poor communication skills.

But Olson said there's something deeper than the surface face-off between those on the front lines. The efforts to teach intelligent design in the schools is backed by media-savvy, well-financed organizations like the Discovery Institute that aren't afraid to hire high-powered public relations firms to advance their cause.

And, though the position of evolution supporters has been upheld by the U.S. courts - most recently last year in the Dover, Penn., case - Olson predicted that the battle isn't over.

"What's going on is not being called 'a culture discussion,' it's being called 'a culture war,'" Olson said in a panel discussion after the screening.

The film is centered on the debate over teaching evolution in the schools of Olson's home state of Kansas and also covers the Dover, Penn., case.

Despite his scientific background, Olson handles intelligent design proponents gently throughout the film, giving them a chance to air their views. He offers some anti-design examples, like the fact that a rabbit's digestive tract is designed such that vegetation breaks down in a portion that comes after the part that absorbs nutrients, forcing rabbits to digest their food twice to get any value from the food. Rabbits do this by eating pellets that they've excreted to pass them through a second time, prompting the film to ask, "Where's the intelligent design in this?"

But rather than offering a detailed explanation of evolution or a point-by-point rebuttal of intelligent design, "Flock of Dodos" probes how it is that, 150 years after Darwin published his theories and 80 years after the Scopes Monkey Trial, a debate over evolution is raging in this country.

Though he concludes that intelligent design is a theory that has stalled at what he calls the "intuition stage," Olson says in "Flock of Dodos" that it still appears to have the upper hand.

The movie includes several shots of the inside of the Harvard Museum of Natural History, most recognizably the whale skeleton hanging from the ceiling, complete with remnant pelvic bones attesting to a time when the whale's ancestors had legs.

The movie also includes several Harvard-trained scientists, as well as faculty members Karel Liem, the Henry Bryant Bigelow Professor of Ichthyology, and James Hanken, professor of biology and director of the Museum of Comparative Zoology.

Olson received his doctorate from Harvard in 1984 and was a professor at the University of New Hampshire from 1988 until 1994, when he left the university shortly after receiving tenure to attend film school at the University of Southern California.

Olson participated in a panel discussion after the film with James McCarthy, Alexander Agassiz Professor of Biological Oceanography, and New York Times science writer Cordelia Dean. The panel was moderated by Douglas Starr, co-director for Boston University's Center for Science and Medical Journalism.

Dean said the debate has remained alive because the scientific community has failed to make the case for evolution to the ordinary person. That is at least partly due to neglect, she said.

"They often see no necessity to do so, and our society as a whole suffers for it," Dean said.

McCarthy said that may be because of the nature of the scientific subculture itself. Scientists are discouraged from drawing too bold conclusions from their research and from not mentioning sometimes multiple caveats on their findings, traits that make it difficult to craft and deliver a clear, persuasive message to the public.

"It's so counter to our training as scientists to give a flip answer or to give an answer without all the caveats," McCarthy said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevolist; evolution; harvard; id; intelligentdesign; science
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To: RobbyS

Get it right. People have bad habits because of free will.

I REFUSE to blame a dolphin for my own stupidity.


81 posted on 02/11/2006 8:52:09 AM PST by moog
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To: moog

did you have him shaved like a poodle too?


82 posted on 02/11/2006 8:54:29 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: moog

As you say.


83 posted on 02/11/2006 8:55:00 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RunningWolf

No, he laughed too much.


84 posted on 02/11/2006 9:02:27 AM PST by moog
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To: RobbyS

As you say.

Thank you so much for the compliment.


85 posted on 02/11/2006 9:03:30 AM PST by moog
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To: moog

lucky for you I think, but I dont much experince with 'em.


86 posted on 02/11/2006 9:08:20 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf

lucky for you I think, but I dont much experince with 'em.

They do tend to chase wild dogs from kills.


87 posted on 02/11/2006 9:20:08 AM PST by moog
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To: moog

You play keyboards?


88 posted on 02/11/2006 9:21:41 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: RightWingNilla

You play keyboards?

Nah, I've become de-sythesized to them.

Actually, the name is in refrence to Boog Powell, the old Baltimore Orioles' slugger. I used to call my brother moog because I though he looked like Boog.


89 posted on 02/11/2006 9:25:54 AM PST by moog
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To: wallcrawlr
Do students have a right to hear all the evidence in science class...even if it contradicts evolution?

In principle, yes.

The problem is that this contradictory "evidence" creationists and IDers are always going on about is just the same old ignorant nonsense such as "Why are there still monkeys?"

Should Phlogiston theory be presented as contradictory evidence in a chemistry class?

90 posted on 02/11/2006 9:32:21 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: RightWingNilla

The problem is that this contradictory "evidence" creationists and IDers are always going on about is just the same old ignorant nonsense such as "Why are there still monkeys?"

Don't insult my Uncle Clyde.

I myself would put it in an introduction to an evolution unit along with other theories. Evolution units usually don't last too long, but golly gee, does it ever generate a debate.


91 posted on 02/11/2006 9:35:59 AM PST by moog
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To: moog
Nah, I've become de-sythesized to them.

LOL! Too much ELP?

Actually, the name is in refrence to Boog Powell, the old Baltimore Orioles' slugger.

Ah. Thats a bit before my time.

92 posted on 02/11/2006 9:37:44 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: moog
I myself would put it in an introduction to an evolution unit along with other theories.

The problem is there arent any.

93 posted on 02/11/2006 9:38:40 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: RightWingNilla
The problem is there arent any. Sure there are. There's a whole ton of creation theories and everyone under the sun has one. In my Sunday School class, the ten people had ten different ones. Not to mention the Greeks, Romans, and whomever else. (And yes, I realize that evolution also has to do more with the "evolving" part and isn't part of the Big Bang theory."

I think you can discuss ID and evolution without having to get all political about it. I've never had a problem with either.

I was believing elements of ID long before I ever heard about it and learning about evolution helped me formulate those beliefs. But I can't expect anyone else to understand them exactly nor can I "explain" them or "prove" them because they are my beliefs and derived at through my own experiences, which no one can perfectly understand except for me.

I do however, try to learn from different perspectives at times and that helps me gain an added perspective. I have to say, I can't resist these crevo threads--too doggone entertaining.

I don't think anyone knows ALL the answers. I sure don't.

One thing I don't like is that some use the crevo debate to attack all science. That is not good because we would have nothing without it.

94 posted on 02/11/2006 9:49:58 AM PST by moog
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To: RightWingNilla

LOL! Too much ELP?

Actually, the name is in refrence to Boog Powell, the old Baltimore Orioles' slugger.

Ah. Thats a bit before my time.

HEHE. Yes, too much too much.
Old Boogie boy was in a 1972 book about baseball. From then on, I was hooked on baseball. I wrote about it for every report from elementary through early high school.

My all-time favorite baseball hero is Yogi Berra. He's a class act that has yet to be duplicated.


95 posted on 02/11/2006 9:52:35 AM PST by moog
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To: moog

The unconditional love of God for fallen souls. Nothing else.

:-)

It helps to realize that on one's own, one is helpless and hopeless. Easier to take the offered help!


96 posted on 02/11/2006 9:53:27 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
The unconditional love of God for fallen souls. Nothing else. :-) It helps to realize that on one's own, one is helpless and hopeless. Easier to take the offered help!

VERY GOOD ADVICE. When I was in my own "hole" a few years ago, that was what I had to turn to as well. I am still amazed at how much God blesses a dimwit such as myself. I am awed at the many miracles I do see and can only conclude that HE is indeed GREAT.

97 posted on 02/11/2006 9:57:34 AM PST by moog
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To: moog
I think you can discuss ID and evolution without having to get all political about it.

ID isnt a scientific theory. Even the foremost proponents of it (Behe and the DI crew) have admitted this time and time again.

98 posted on 02/11/2006 10:06:42 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: moog
Old Boogie boy was in a 1972 book about baseball. From then on, I was hooked on baseball.

For me it was Reggie Jackson - and Reggie Bars (remember those?)

99 posted on 02/11/2006 10:07:42 AM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: RightWingNilla

ID isnt a scientific theory. Even the foremost proponents of it (Behe and the DI crew) have admitted this time and time again.

It has some elements of science, but depends on a faith-based approach. That's why I would put it in an introductory sense.


100 posted on 02/11/2006 10:09:14 AM PST by moog
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