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Still true over a hundred years later. Amazing!
1 posted on 02/09/2006 9:30:40 AM PST by Neville72
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The memory of the Wahabaist massacre of a British force in Sudan must have impressed him.


2 posted on 02/09/2006 9:32:06 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Neville72

Thanks for the post... best thing I've read all day... Europe could use the likes of Churchill right now thats for sure.


3 posted on 02/09/2006 9:34:14 AM PST by stand4somethin
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"No stronger retrograde force exists in the world."


Still true.

The American Democrat Party is a close second.


Perhaps one day soon neither will exist.





4 posted on 02/09/2006 9:39:11 AM PST by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Neville72

Sir Winston wasn't PC thats for sure. I just wish we had someone who would read this critique of Islam on the news. I heard Victor Davis Hansen give a similiar critique a couple of weeks ago but I wish we had a statesman in office who could take a stand like this.


6 posted on 02/09/2006 9:42:31 AM PST by stand4somethin
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To: Neville72
[72 virgins, I'm assuming]

I don't think so. More likely, he was referring to folks who sit around for hours daily, chewing khat, smoking, drinking coffee, etc.

7 posted on 02/09/2006 9:45:14 AM PST by r9etb
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Thanks for posting. I have been meaning to read The River War for some time. Now I simply must.


13 posted on 02/09/2006 9:59:26 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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"It seems to me a certainty that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of the Arab women are the outstanding causes for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have been developing."

General George S. Patton


14 posted on 02/09/2006 10:01:04 AM PST by Patriot Hooligan ("God have mercy on my enemies because I won't." General George S. Patton)
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To: Neville72
It may well be true, but in 2006 it is just sooo "politically incorrect".

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

15 posted on 02/09/2006 10:04:01 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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FYI hydrophobia = rabies

IOW islam is the human equivalent of rabies.


17 posted on 02/09/2006 10:05:10 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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Unfortunately, the civilization of science will not protect the Europe of 2006.


18 posted on 02/09/2006 10:08:30 AM PST by quadrant
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Words to live by.


20 posted on 02/09/2006 10:10:47 AM PST by roaddog727 (P=3/8 A. or, P=plenty...............)
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"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog


21 posted on 02/09/2006 10:14:30 AM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit our sister..but we knew just what to do...we gathered rocks and squashed her!)
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A few folks at the White House & Foggy Bottom should read this.


24 posted on 02/09/2006 10:20:37 AM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit our sister..but we knew just what to do...we gathered rocks and squashed her!)
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To: Neville72
A degraded sensualism[72 virgins, I'm assuming]

Maybe, but more likely the attitude that "A woman is a duty but a boy is a joy".

26 posted on 02/09/2006 10:28:13 AM PST by El Gato
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I am a great admirer of Winston Churchill and have read thousands of pages by, or about, him. I visited his new museum and have audio CDs of his famous speeches.

That being said, he was still properly accessed as "the last Victorian" and that world view was tempered by the faults of that era.

The governmental structures of the middle east were left ill formed and vestigial by Winston and similar world leaders and we have battled problems for seven decades from the effects of the pre-WWI and post WWI structures they set up that were viewed as benevolent at the time.

In the Indian subcontinent, the residual influence of British Order proved to be a beneficial underlying stabilizer as colonialism was removed -- but WC never thought of Gandhi and the movement around him as little more than a "middle temple lawyer." (A trouble making ambulance chaser) He mistook his aesthetic rather than his nationalism as his central strength.

The Shahs handed power in the middle east had in most instances no beneficial order or the west to moderate them entering the modern world. We got the Nazi partners of the forties and the Wahbists because of that.

Some, such a Egypt and Jordan came through the century with a modern influence, but Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Arabian peninsula were all just so much parceled out fiefdoms to those that the Europeans thought "they could work with."

Kurds and others rightly don't look upon him like we do after a hundred years of western initiated subjugation. Sure, he saw the cultural problems and dangers, but seeing them the western liberal governments froze out the resolutions that were needed and made the problems of today more fixed in stone.

31 posted on 02/09/2006 10:49:42 AM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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Churchill's message to Europe today:

"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."
33 posted on 02/09/2006 10:51:35 AM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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Winston S. Churchill, 1896

35 posted on 02/09/2006 10:55:03 AM PST by captain_dave
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I love it. The more things change, the more they stay the same.


36 posted on 02/09/2006 11:13:02 AM PST by Hypervigilant (Cogito, Ergo FReep.)
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Crap - now there will be a call to ban the works of Winston Churchill. /sarc


38 posted on 02/09/2006 11:19:46 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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What's even more amazing is that Churchill was only 24 when he wrote that. By the way, I'm happy to say that our company, St. Augustine's Press, will be publishing the definitive edition of the two-volume set of THE RIVER WAR later this year.

Saintgus


39 posted on 02/09/2006 1:57:11 PM PST by saintgus
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