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Soldier pays for armor - Army demanded $700 from city man who was wounded
WV Gazette ^ | 2/7/06

Posted on 02/07/2006 11:44:45 AM PST by iPod Shuffle

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To: MineralMan

A sure-fire way to get pay screw-ups fixed is to request an emergency loan from Army Emergency Relief. This triggers AER to contact the soldier's command, command contacts DFAS, etc. It gets the problem "on the radar" quickly.


61 posted on 02/07/2006 12:56:02 PM PST by armydoc
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To: Eagles Talon IV

I always give the benefit of the doubt to the US soldier who has been in battle. I think thats a good rule.


62 posted on 02/07/2006 12:58:11 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

The Klansman brought it up at the Defense department hearing this morning.General Pace promised to get to the bottom of it.


63 posted on 02/07/2006 12:58:46 PM PST by Blessed
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To: jude24

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1573713/posts?page=47#47


64 posted on 02/07/2006 12:59:11 PM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Eagles Talon IV
"This soldier will get his money back when the paper snafu is cleared up. This is nothing but a not so subtle attempt to bash the military and by association the president."

There's no reason in hell the damn Army couldn't fix this immediately! Screwing this guy is pure unadulterated BS.

65 posted on 02/07/2006 12:59:39 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Arkinsaw

Remember you are hearing (or reading) one side of the story.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1573713/posts?page=47#47


66 posted on 02/07/2006 1:00:05 PM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: spunkets

Only one side of the story has been told.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1573713/posts?page=47#47


67 posted on 02/07/2006 1:00:54 PM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: spunkets

Only one side of the story has been told.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1573713/posts?page=47#47


68 posted on 02/07/2006 1:00:59 PM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: spunkets

Only one side of the story has been told.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1573713/posts?page=47#47


69 posted on 02/07/2006 1:01:08 PM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Eagles Talon IV
The military runs on discipline and regimentation

Discipline and regimentation are things like PT and obeying your officers. This is bureaucratic red tape - and it is not immediately evident to me, admittedly a civilian, that a 1LT would be expected to know how to navigate this bureaucracy - especially one who was wounded.

70 posted on 02/07/2006 1:02:20 PM PST by jude24 ("Thy law is written on the hearts of men, which iniquity itself effaces not." - St. Augustine)
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To: Wristpin

i support all our soldiers all of the time. Please keep in mind we have only heard one side of the story at this point.


71 posted on 02/07/2006 1:02:35 PM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Terabitten
I'm with you here. I'm a former infantry officer and I've done dozens of reports of survey, and had God-only-knows how many done on soldiers under my command. Generally speaking, the soldier is given the option of Report of Survey or signing a Statement of Charges. Assuming the soldier is telling the complete truth, he should have demanded a report of survey. A survey officer (usually a platoon leader, but not HIS platoon leader) from his battalion would be appointed to do a quick investigation as to the cause of the loss. Surveys have a 30 day limit, if I recall correctly, so at most, the soldier would only be in the Army for another thirty days. Combat loss surveys are usually pretty simple, so I can't imagine why this soldier didn't refuse the statement of charges. Generally speaking, signing a statement of charges is considered an admission that yeah, you lost it, and you don't have a good reason.

Is this procedure common knowledge or would he have to be lucky enough to come across someone who would actually have the intelligence and caring to help get him squared away? My own experience with supply/disbursing/personnel pukes leads me to believe that nobody lifted a finger to help him.

72 posted on 02/07/2006 1:08:10 PM PST by EricT. ("I reject your reality and substitute my own."-Adam Savage)
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To: jjm2111

It was most likely deducted from his separation pay.


73 posted on 02/07/2006 1:13:43 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: OldCorps

Reports of survey are done at the unit level and if his commander does not ensure that it is done it won't happen.


74 posted on 02/07/2006 1:15:44 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Eagles Talon IV
"i support all our soldiers all of the time. Please keep in mind we have only heard one side of the story at this point."

Yes, please keep us posted on this one. I get very supportive of our service people, when it comes to our military serving in time of war. If this is a smear job by some liberal journalist used to promote antiwar sentiments and bash the President, then the Charleston Gazette, Eric Eyre is going to get an earful.

Just as someone should be accountable if the facts in this story are accurate, some journalist should be fully accountable for any errors, omissions or oversights he/she should have more fully investigated and reported.

75 posted on 02/07/2006 1:15:57 PM PST by MensRightsActivist
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To: jjm2111

He should have just called his congressperson's office -- THEY would have told the Army to go f*** themselves. Medics rescuing and transporting gravely wounded soldiers have better things to do with their extremely limited time than document the disposition of each piece of clothing and equipment removed from the wounded soldier's body. I wonder if these regulations-bots also deduct the cost of missing body armor from the death benefits of soldiers who are killed in action.


76 posted on 02/07/2006 1:22:48 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Terabitten

Don't assume a 1LT knows crapola about the army - It's his FIRST promotion, and usually no more than 2 years in.


77 posted on 02/07/2006 1:26:01 PM PST by MortMan (Trains stop at train stations. On my desk is a workstation...)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

No this was probably a low level DOD employee making the call to garnish this guys pay.


78 posted on 02/07/2006 1:26:07 PM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: jude24

It is also about adhering to the rules and regulations. Because of the necessity and great importance of discipline on the battlefield it must be part of every aspect of the military, even off the battlefield. It evens descends to the level of how a soldiers places his socks and underwear in his footlocker and how his uniform is hung in a locker during basic training. Another important part of a soldiers training, especially that of an officer is responsibility for his actions as well as those of his subordinates. If he can't be responsible for his own actions then he certainly can't be responsibility for those of his men as he is supposed to be.

This guy is looking more and more like a whiner or else the newspaper is doing a hit job on him.


79 posted on 02/07/2006 1:27:00 PM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Eagles Talon IV
"Only one side of the story has been told."

You don't get to tell the other side of the story. The vest is trash, since it was hit with shrapnel a year prior when the soldier was in the explosion.

80 posted on 02/07/2006 1:29:41 PM PST by spunkets
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