Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious
Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Earlier thread by this poster under another name before he was banned, linked above also:
Bye-bye Delay! So long crooks! Goodbye world, I'm gone by ZOT!
Posted on 01/08/2006 8:43:32 PM CST by SoLongCrooks
Yaa, you repukes are not doing so well, huh? Imagine, you repukes control the presidency, both houses of Congress, and appointed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices. Yet the Supreme Court thre out sodomy laws in all 50 states and recognized the right of government to seize land for any reason. And you couldn't pass your Social Security changes could you? Sorry, that was your last shot. Come November, we're going to start seeing more Democratic faces in the House. It's the end for you guys. You guys are celebrating when Bush's numbers go *up* to 45%. Then Faux News trumpets this like it's some kind of victory.
I should add I am not a Democrat, I am a communist. And I know one day the workers will control the means of production, and all the capitalist idle class parasites you guys love will be eliminated as a class. But I also recognize, like the CPUSA, sometimes you must enter a front with the liberals for tactical reasons. We had fun sticking it to the liberals with Nader and the Greens in 2000, 2002 and 2004, but this year we're switching gears. Evo Morales in Bolivia, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, plus all are other Latin American comrades, and the Left Party in Germany, the Socialist Party in Spain pulling the troops out of Iraq. It's a come back for the workers of the world, BIG TIME. Sorry to all you capitalists and sycophants, or Jesus-believing loonies.
Oh yaa - Bye bye Tom Delay. We control nothing in the government, yet we still control so much! Gramsci was right to make a long march through the institutions. Too bad your shot at power amounted to so little! At least you got your estate tax cut...for a few years anyhow.
*******Beginning of new thread by the same Troll**************
The first thing I will say up front - I am a progressive, not a conservative. This message is about the freedom of Free Republic, versus the party line of Democratic Underground.
If you look at Democratic Underground's rules ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html ), one is "Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates." Note, this doesn't say Republicans, this doesn't say "progressive candidates", it says Democratic candidates, period. Now let's compare this to Free Republic's posting guidelines ( http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm ) - "Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government." No mention of the Republican Party. No jihad against you if you make up your mind to vote for Pertouka. No "party line" from the Republican leadership. Significantly, even though DU and FR are compared often, that is a (unofficial) Democratic Party site, you are a conservative site.
I just made two posts saying positive things about the Green party, talking about how people like Clinton and Kerry do not represent working class people and so forth. This was after 200+ posts there by me on other topics. Both of my threads were locked and I was directed to the above mentioned rules, which say those who don't follow the Democratic Party line are not welcome. I then posted a thread saying Free Republic had more freedom of expression than Democratic Underground, and that that was a shame. That was erased.
While my discussion of this was banned on DU, I don't think it will be banned here. I can't believe I am more free to discuss my support of the Greens, or talk about freedom of political discussion on Free Republic than Democratic Underground. And as I said before, the fact that you are a conservative site, not a official or unofficial Republican Party site is probably due to this. The party that runs the White House, Congress and 7 of 9 Supreme Court seats allows people to support Pertouka over Bush on its main political board. The main discussion board for people of the progressive movement declares all must follow the Democratic Party line, and any other discussion is locked and erased. I've even seen people banned before.
This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican. I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives, but am not a regular at the mansions of wealthy heirs. Anyhow, my point is this will not make me like capitalism any more, but I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad.
I should close this by saying I agree with nothing the Republicans or conservatives are for - except one thing. I am a complete supporter of the Second Amendment. I have been on the left for a long time and the scariest people around are the gun control people. Not the soccer moms who the leaders of gun control people try to appeal to, but the leaders themselves, the people who want more and more gun control. I have heard people like this talk about how they are scared that people up in Appalachia and in the South have so many guns. I am always puzzled like this. For myself, I feel pretty SAFE knowing people in Appalachia, the South and so forth have guns. Why would someone be scared that the working people in rural areas have rifles, shotguns and so forth? The people who say this usually aren't working class people, they are usually liberal yuppie types. So all you second amendment supporters - you're more right than you know, if you heard how these people talk, you'd be more freaked out by all this gun control stuff than you probably already are. The gun control people are the creepiest, scariest people on the left and in the Democratic party. Meaning not the soccer moms and so forth they try to appeal to, but the people masterminding the fight on that. In fact, if you look at DU polls - many many DUers are more pro-2nd amendment than pro-gun control. So who are these gun control people? So keep fighting on this, at least one party supports the 2nd Amendment. Other than this, I don't agree with conservatives or Republicans on anything, especially in terms of the working class. Hopefully this post will shame some DU admin into allowing more freedom of expression for progressives there. You guys can discuss problems in the conservative movement while we can't - we're only allowed to praise the Democratic party, otherwise, hit the road. I hope I shame some DU admin into making changes with this, but I doubt I will.
I hate capitolists
I was a big-time stock investor!
I was working for dot-coms
I was a lucky one who managed to jump from dot coms to Wall Street.
I started my own business
it has been profitable
it has taken a while to incorporate, open a bank account, line up wholesalers
You hate yourself.
You don't own FR. You don't make the rules here. I am expressing my opinions, which you don't care for. Yet, I'm still here and THAT is driving you crazy! LOL
I worked at a dot-com until spring 2000 doing IT work. I left and went to work for a Fortune 100 company in NYC doing IT work. I do not work at the F100 company any more, I quit it. I started a small business with my friend during the summer of 2005, it is small and has not made a lot of money. I have a day job and I also go to night school.
As far as reading Hayek, I am going to read him since it has been suggested to me by someone a few weeks ago. My friend suggested Milton Friedman as well and I will read his books.
As far as the people here who talked about Marx and economics - shortly after Marx died, someone wrote a book which said that Marx's talk about value did not translate into prices. He pointed to where he thought Marx made some errors. This was in the late 19th century. It is 2006, and Marx's followers still have not responded to this guy who pointed out errors Marx made. It's called the "Transformation Problem". In other words, this guy debunked a major underpinning of Marx in the late 19th century, and the Marx followers still have no response to this. A popular left-wing magazine, the Monthly Review, talks about this a lot.
One thing I tend to notice is that when conservative economists are on the offensive pointing out errors in left-wing economic theories, they are honest and often right. When they are on the defensive against left-wingers pointing out inconsistencies in their theories, they seem to be less honest. Anyhow, I prefer reading conservative criticism of left-wing economics to conservative defense of conservative economics agaist left wing attacks. The prior is usually much better written.
No actually I've always liked you. We are better than DU, and the reason why, I always thought, was that we don't tombstone those who wish to come here seeking a palaver.
Nam Vet
We are better than DU, and the reason why, I always thought, was that we don't tombstone those who wish to come here seeking a palaver even if they are retarded.
It didn't look right.
I hope you are not zotted. In fact, I hope you post often. I would love to hear your disagreements, reasonably stated. This board, and conservatism generally, can always stand reasonable dissent. If the dissent is incorrect, posters should logically discuss it instead of crying out for a zot or insulting the dissenter. That's the point of freedom of speech, to let people see all the arguments and make their own call on which is right.
It's too bad some here can't see that. But then, if the board was run by a mod with an iron hand, it wouldn't be FR, either. I'm all for self-restraint and personal responsibility over a nanny-state-board like DU.
But I think it's entertaining that you claim to be anti-capitalist in bent, while the same time, you must realize in your heart that humanity wilts under such a scheme. You left DU for the very reason that their central planning didn't accomodate you in the marketplace of ideas. Surely you can see that at least to a degree people would react the same way to any government economic planning?
:-p
Your stated views are those of the WOBBLIES. They are outdated, don't work, and never shall.
What is it, in particular, that you hate so, about Conservatives? There's more to it than "evil Capitalists"; isn't there? And why the GREEN Party? Do you actually know what they stand for?
The no profitability quote was from ex-GE CEO Jack Welch, not me.
As far as Chinese SOE's being money-losing, absolutely. From what I've read, some small village has a money-losing SOE, a foreign privately owned factory comes in and the SOE begins layoffs. The workers go work for the privately owned factory, and the SOE closes down. I'm not an expert, but it seems that China has been slowly closing its SOEs, especially when privately owned businesses come into a region.
As far as tapping into high tech, I have a web site and have gotten all of my ducks in a row in terms of wholesalers etc. recently. One thing I have learned over the past few years is windows of opportunity open and then close and he who hesitates is lost. Hopefully I will be fast enough to not have the window close on me.
Ok. Good. So - how's capitalism bad, again ?
With very few exceptions, FR has ALWAYS gotten rid of trolls and LIBERALS ( LiberalLarry and MurrayMon being two exceptions I can think off, right off the bat ) pretty quickly; though not immediately.
At my age and with my background, I have less than no need to sharpen my techniques of debate nor take on teaching an ill educated, utterly lost, little boy in a man's body, who is convinced that he is right and wont ever change his mind. Nor do I particularly cherish having to fight a stupid GREENIE. And yes, it IS like waving a red flag at me, when I see some mordant idiot claim that he "HATES CAPTALISTS". :-)
The first step in recovery is seeing the truth. Amongst Conservatives, there is much disagreement, but that is the essence of freedom.
May your journey to light and truth continue.
I don't think its possible to have an over-abundance of capital for the stock market, although there can be an under-abundance of stocks worthy of hat capital. Abhoring that little vacuum, investors decided to lower their standards rather than increase the supply of worthwhile enterprises in which to invest. Any way, that situation is rectifying itself (btw - thanks in so small part to the GWB administration - they're doing a lot of good tinkering to set the economy and market back on sounder economic principles than was present a decade ago, not to mention pretty aggressively going after the bad' capitalists).
Now, what Welchs comments have to do with the price of eggs in Albuquerque during a full moon, I'm still scratching my head over. And if you think this economy is 'broken,' you've definitely been buying into too much leftist trash. I predict you will look back on this economy and wonder how it was that you didn't see it for what it was. Just take a minute to compare today's economic meeasures with, say, those of the Carter years just so you can see the glaring differences (even realizing you are too young to really understand what double digit inflation, interest, unemployment etc. are like to live through), or for that matter in aggregate with any other period in our history.
You do understand, don't you, that GDP is not based on how many dollars exist. There could only be a single dollar in the whole country, but if that dollar changed hands fast enough our economy would be fine. What you need to focus on is productivity. Of course our labor isn't profitable making trinkets the Chinese can make for far lower cost. That's because our productivity is so high in comparison. It doesn't make economic sense to use a bulldozer to plant a flower. Which is not to say owning a bulldozer is not a profitable enterprise compared to owning a trowel. It just means we have to apply our productivity to different tasks. High productivity does two things. It affords more 'leisure' (i.e. a better standard of living) and also affords more exploration into other productive pursuits (new capitalist enterpise). It means change. Increasing productivity necessarily means "loss" of certain labors to to other markets and disruptions to the way things are, but that is by no means a 'breaking' of the economy. Just the opposite, it foretells vigorous new growth. As a Greenie, you should appreciate that. Recycling that dead tree into the earth is a good harbinger, not a sign of a dead forest.
I will apologize for my more vitrolic attacks, but maintain that I wholeheartedly disagree with you. I have been reading his responses and I feel while misguided that he is not an idiot. He may say outrageous remarks such as "I hate capitalists" but he is more of a capitalist then he believes.
I guess I believe in best by test. If capitalism means growth, low unemployment, class mobility etc., well, it's hard to argue against results. If it means stagnation, high unemployment, limited class mobility, well, that speaks for itself too.
Personally, I think what Wal-Mart has done is impressive. I'm glad Wal-Mart exists. On the other hand, I can't stand companies like Verizon, Con Edison and whatnot. Perhaps it would be better if instead of saying I am anti-capitalist, saying I am against monopoly capitalism. If all of corporate America was populated by Verizons and Con Edisons I would be all for hoisting the red flag. As long as innovators like Wal-Mart, Google etc. exist, I would say capitalism is contributing something positive to the world.
You may want to check out this post:
Could skippy stop cows farting and end global warming? (Actual title)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1573261/posts
well..rkba is a good start....maybe we could work on infanticide next
:>)
Wouldn't that lead to exploding cows?
When I first read the title I wondered how Skippy peanut butter could do that...
Maybe Skippy is like the little Dutch boy.
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