Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious
Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Earlier thread by this poster under another name before he was banned, linked above also:
Bye-bye Delay! So long crooks! Goodbye world, I'm gone by ZOT!
Posted on 01/08/2006 8:43:32 PM CST by SoLongCrooks
Yaa, you repukes are not doing so well, huh? Imagine, you repukes control the presidency, both houses of Congress, and appointed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices. Yet the Supreme Court thre out sodomy laws in all 50 states and recognized the right of government to seize land for any reason. And you couldn't pass your Social Security changes could you? Sorry, that was your last shot. Come November, we're going to start seeing more Democratic faces in the House. It's the end for you guys. You guys are celebrating when Bush's numbers go *up* to 45%. Then Faux News trumpets this like it's some kind of victory.
I should add I am not a Democrat, I am a communist. And I know one day the workers will control the means of production, and all the capitalist idle class parasites you guys love will be eliminated as a class. But I also recognize, like the CPUSA, sometimes you must enter a front with the liberals for tactical reasons. We had fun sticking it to the liberals with Nader and the Greens in 2000, 2002 and 2004, but this year we're switching gears. Evo Morales in Bolivia, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, plus all are other Latin American comrades, and the Left Party in Germany, the Socialist Party in Spain pulling the troops out of Iraq. It's a come back for the workers of the world, BIG TIME. Sorry to all you capitalists and sycophants, or Jesus-believing loonies.
Oh yaa - Bye bye Tom Delay. We control nothing in the government, yet we still control so much! Gramsci was right to make a long march through the institutions. Too bad your shot at power amounted to so little! At least you got your estate tax cut...for a few years anyhow.
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The first thing I will say up front - I am a progressive, not a conservative. This message is about the freedom of Free Republic, versus the party line of Democratic Underground.
If you look at Democratic Underground's rules ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html ), one is "Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates." Note, this doesn't say Republicans, this doesn't say "progressive candidates", it says Democratic candidates, period. Now let's compare this to Free Republic's posting guidelines ( http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm ) - "Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government." No mention of the Republican Party. No jihad against you if you make up your mind to vote for Pertouka. No "party line" from the Republican leadership. Significantly, even though DU and FR are compared often, that is a (unofficial) Democratic Party site, you are a conservative site.
I just made two posts saying positive things about the Green party, talking about how people like Clinton and Kerry do not represent working class people and so forth. This was after 200+ posts there by me on other topics. Both of my threads were locked and I was directed to the above mentioned rules, which say those who don't follow the Democratic Party line are not welcome. I then posted a thread saying Free Republic had more freedom of expression than Democratic Underground, and that that was a shame. That was erased.
While my discussion of this was banned on DU, I don't think it will be banned here. I can't believe I am more free to discuss my support of the Greens, or talk about freedom of political discussion on Free Republic than Democratic Underground. And as I said before, the fact that you are a conservative site, not a official or unofficial Republican Party site is probably due to this. The party that runs the White House, Congress and 7 of 9 Supreme Court seats allows people to support Pertouka over Bush on its main political board. The main discussion board for people of the progressive movement declares all must follow the Democratic Party line, and any other discussion is locked and erased. I've even seen people banned before.
This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican. I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives, but am not a regular at the mansions of wealthy heirs. Anyhow, my point is this will not make me like capitalism any more, but I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad.
I should close this by saying I agree with nothing the Republicans or conservatives are for - except one thing. I am a complete supporter of the Second Amendment. I have been on the left for a long time and the scariest people around are the gun control people. Not the soccer moms who the leaders of gun control people try to appeal to, but the leaders themselves, the people who want more and more gun control. I have heard people like this talk about how they are scared that people up in Appalachia and in the South have so many guns. I am always puzzled like this. For myself, I feel pretty SAFE knowing people in Appalachia, the South and so forth have guns. Why would someone be scared that the working people in rural areas have rifles, shotguns and so forth? The people who say this usually aren't working class people, they are usually liberal yuppie types. So all you second amendment supporters - you're more right than you know, if you heard how these people talk, you'd be more freaked out by all this gun control stuff than you probably already are. The gun control people are the creepiest, scariest people on the left and in the Democratic party. Meaning not the soccer moms and so forth they try to appeal to, but the people masterminding the fight on that. In fact, if you look at DU polls - many many DUers are more pro-2nd amendment than pro-gun control. So who are these gun control people? So keep fighting on this, at least one party supports the 2nd Amendment. Other than this, I don't agree with conservatives or Republicans on anything, especially in terms of the working class. Hopefully this post will shame some DU admin into allowing more freedom of expression for progressives there. You guys can discuss problems in the conservative movement while we can't - we're only allowed to praise the Democratic party, otherwise, hit the road. I hope I shame some DU admin into making changes with this, but I doubt I will.
Perhaps you need to send me a FREEPmail. LOL
Bookmarking. Gotta get to sleep.
Freeper 1: I like (fill in blank with idea)
Freeper 2: Me too!
Freeper 3: Bump Freeper 4: I really don't agree Message 4 deleted
Why is that? He has not insulted you, or came posting stuff such as: Bush is Hitler! Halliburton is da antichrist! Drink Evian!
Instead he wrote a post, stated an opinion different from your own, and scared you silly. Am I wrong?
Yes, I know and understand exactly how tired you are and why tonight is not the time for this. Please, go to bed...this really can wait until you are refreshed. It does nobody any good to prolong this, considering how exhausted you are and how late the hour.
This site is rife with class tensions. The tensions just express themselves often through the proxy of other issues: immigration, protectionism, land use, gay issues, etc. Heck, we even have a contingent that hate school vouchers. I suspect a lot of them are members of teachers' unions. The GOP is a bigger tent these days, and that is one source of it all. Another source, is that a lot of rich folks are rich, and Dems, due to big government, along with a lot of Pubbies. That is what makes politics so interesting!
Yes, Democratic VP Wallace was friendly to the communists. Churchill came to the US and talked about the Iron Curtain and Wallace was content to let communism take over in Eastern Europe.
I think we're in agreement that people like Wallace were not opposed to communism, or I suppose you would go as far to say supported communism. Perhaps some of his speeches in the 1940s are on the Internet. You might be surprised "how far he went" in his rhetoric - I was, when I first read it.
I hate capitolists
I was a big-time stock investor!
I was working for dot-coms
I was a lucky one who managed to jump from dot coms to Wall Street.
LOL
Krugman is a mordant IDOIT and nothing but a propagandist! If you like him and believe what you read in the pages of the N.Y.Slimes, there's little hope for you.
What do you think about rank-and-file leaning unions striking, what's your view on that? I'm curious since you said you were a shop steward.
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http://www.neoperspectives.com/unions.htm
ROFL! Least he's honest cause nobody would make-up a story like that for themselves. Better than a guy on another thread who is saying he's related to a NFL QB, and the whole family is urging him to quit in protest of the Super Bowl! ROFL!
see ... that's exactly the leftist in you - blaming 'capitalism' instead of your own youthful naivete. Even if you weren't wise enough to see it at the time, at least now in hindsight you might want to reflect that the whole dot com boom was just a Ponzi scheme. There never was any 'capital' basis to warrent investment - no product, no thing of value - just a frenzy to be in on the ground floor of a house of cards. So it wasn't 'capitalism' or capitalists who caused you to nearly lose money. You, and too many others, were simply snookered. Take it as a lesson in life (and towards understanding what real capitalism is) instead of blaming and hating what might have saved you the trouble. Take responsibility for having been a naive youthg and resolve to invest yourself in things of real value. You'll feel better instead of bitter (and start understanding conservatism).
I used to like Krugman's articles on budget and other economically related issues, including social security, where he made a very trenchant case, with which I agreed. I knew before then, that Bush's SS plan was dead in the water, and deservedly dead, but he wrote well on the topic. Then celebrity got to his head, he got his byline in the NY Times, and became a superficial leftist, dyspeptic Bush hating propagandist. He knew where his bread was buttered I guess.
Wait a minute! If it turns out your're correct can I just be wrong instead of being dead wrong? Please?
I can't go to bed quite yet, I'm waiting for the ice cream to kick in and put me to sleep.
"I am a working class person and hate capitalists."
The alternatives to capitalism are pure communism, and mixed economy socialism.
Pure communism has failed dismally. Soviet Union and satellites, North Korea and Cuba are my evidence.
Mixed economy socialism depends on the capitalism element to provide jobs and revenues.
Those are simply facts. So "hate" whatever you define is capitalism, but realize at the same time where your "working class" paychecks come from.
Agree or disagree?
I hate trolls, I hate stinking Commies more, and I hate and revile abject stupidity even MORE! None of this has anything at all to do with my "bloody ordered world"; dear. It has to do with the fact that FR is a political Conservative site, NOT a babysitting/teaching service for every moron, malcontent, uneducated lefty, whose wee "feelings" got hurt over on DU, so he comes here to vent his spleen.
Yes, of course you ARE correct; you and I have it all here.
One more, then I need to get some sleep. Congressman Ron Paul is worth getting to know. He's not that popular around here because of his lack of enthusiasm for Bush's reprise of Wilsonian utopianism, but he is a hard core constitutionalist and libertarian whose critique of the welfare/warfare state is at least 1/2 welcome here (I think - - perhaps incorrectly).
http://www.house.gov/paul/
http://www.ronpaul.org/
On the consequences of WWI, facilitated by Wilson's "tilt" towards the Triple Entente, this book is a good read:
A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Creation of the Modern Middle East (Paperback)
by David Fromkin
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0805068848/ref=ed_oe_p/002-4753117-6221614?%5Fencoding=UTF8
The Evil Empires, August 3, 2001
Reviewer: "bibliomane01" (Arlington, VA USA) - See all my reviews
This is one of my all-time favourite historical works, and I've read a lot of them. David Fromkin tells the story of how the colonial re-adjustments made by England and France during World War I in anticipation of the demise of the Ottoman Empire were ultimately responsible for the continuing mess that is the modern Middle East. It is a story that has been told many times, but seldom with such eloquence and rarely with such a sure eye for the telling detail. Mr. Fromkin has the gift of explication and the ability to really see the big picture. From the fateful voyage of the German warships Goeben and Breslau to the violent death of Enver Pasha in the wilds of Central Asia, and from the fictions of TE Lawrence to the cynical accomodations of Sykes and Picot, the reader is conducted expertly through an incredible but factual story whose ending has yet to be determined. As he shows in other books such as "In the Time of the Americans," Fromkin is a stern critic of the old colonial powers, and some readers may find his account of French and British politics and policies to be a little one-sided, but what really good book isn't? An amazing work of history - six stars!
I started my own business with a friend in July. It has not made a lot of money yet, but it has been profitable. But it has taken a while to incorporate, open a bank account, line up wholesalers and whatnot. If I could be my own boss (or work along with my partner/friend), I do not think I would become conservative, but I do know I would move slightly to the right, since taking orders from bosses, not being in control of my work and so forth is what agitates me.
In my definition of capitalism, being my own boss would put me outside of the system of capitalism. But even if we do call that capitalism, my problem with capitalism is the existence of the relationship between a worker and a boss/employer.
Really, you could say I'm laying down bets on two squares. If I win the self-employment bet, while I don't think I'd become conservative I am quite aware that I would move right slightly. The other bet I have laid down is on the whole "workers united" thing. If I feel I can not move from wage slave to self employed, I guess that would move me way over to the left.
Do you know what transpired at Yalta?
Do you know ANYTHING at all, besides something about Wallace?
Very good post, all of it, dougd. When you go looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Expect to be disappointed.
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