Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious
Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Earlier thread by this poster under another name before he was banned, linked above also:
Bye-bye Delay! So long crooks! Goodbye world, I'm gone by ZOT!
Posted on 01/08/2006 8:43:32 PM CST by SoLongCrooks
Yaa, you repukes are not doing so well, huh? Imagine, you repukes control the presidency, both houses of Congress, and appointed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices. Yet the Supreme Court thre out sodomy laws in all 50 states and recognized the right of government to seize land for any reason. And you couldn't pass your Social Security changes could you? Sorry, that was your last shot. Come November, we're going to start seeing more Democratic faces in the House. It's the end for you guys. You guys are celebrating when Bush's numbers go *up* to 45%. Then Faux News trumpets this like it's some kind of victory.
I should add I am not a Democrat, I am a communist. And I know one day the workers will control the means of production, and all the capitalist idle class parasites you guys love will be eliminated as a class. But I also recognize, like the CPUSA, sometimes you must enter a front with the liberals for tactical reasons. We had fun sticking it to the liberals with Nader and the Greens in 2000, 2002 and 2004, but this year we're switching gears. Evo Morales in Bolivia, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, plus all are other Latin American comrades, and the Left Party in Germany, the Socialist Party in Spain pulling the troops out of Iraq. It's a come back for the workers of the world, BIG TIME. Sorry to all you capitalists and sycophants, or Jesus-believing loonies.
Oh yaa - Bye bye Tom Delay. We control nothing in the government, yet we still control so much! Gramsci was right to make a long march through the institutions. Too bad your shot at power amounted to so little! At least you got your estate tax cut...for a few years anyhow.
*******Beginning of new thread by the same Troll**************
The first thing I will say up front - I am a progressive, not a conservative. This message is about the freedom of Free Republic, versus the party line of Democratic Underground.
If you look at Democratic Underground's rules ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html ), one is "Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates." Note, this doesn't say Republicans, this doesn't say "progressive candidates", it says Democratic candidates, period. Now let's compare this to Free Republic's posting guidelines ( http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm ) - "Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government." No mention of the Republican Party. No jihad against you if you make up your mind to vote for Pertouka. No "party line" from the Republican leadership. Significantly, even though DU and FR are compared often, that is a (unofficial) Democratic Party site, you are a conservative site.
I just made two posts saying positive things about the Green party, talking about how people like Clinton and Kerry do not represent working class people and so forth. This was after 200+ posts there by me on other topics. Both of my threads were locked and I was directed to the above mentioned rules, which say those who don't follow the Democratic Party line are not welcome. I then posted a thread saying Free Republic had more freedom of expression than Democratic Underground, and that that was a shame. That was erased.
While my discussion of this was banned on DU, I don't think it will be banned here. I can't believe I am more free to discuss my support of the Greens, or talk about freedom of political discussion on Free Republic than Democratic Underground. And as I said before, the fact that you are a conservative site, not a official or unofficial Republican Party site is probably due to this. The party that runs the White House, Congress and 7 of 9 Supreme Court seats allows people to support Pertouka over Bush on its main political board. The main discussion board for people of the progressive movement declares all must follow the Democratic Party line, and any other discussion is locked and erased. I've even seen people banned before.
This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican. I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives, but am not a regular at the mansions of wealthy heirs. Anyhow, my point is this will not make me like capitalism any more, but I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad.
I should close this by saying I agree with nothing the Republicans or conservatives are for - except one thing. I am a complete supporter of the Second Amendment. I have been on the left for a long time and the scariest people around are the gun control people. Not the soccer moms who the leaders of gun control people try to appeal to, but the leaders themselves, the people who want more and more gun control. I have heard people like this talk about how they are scared that people up in Appalachia and in the South have so many guns. I am always puzzled like this. For myself, I feel pretty SAFE knowing people in Appalachia, the South and so forth have guns. Why would someone be scared that the working people in rural areas have rifles, shotguns and so forth? The people who say this usually aren't working class people, they are usually liberal yuppie types. So all you second amendment supporters - you're more right than you know, if you heard how these people talk, you'd be more freaked out by all this gun control stuff than you probably already are. The gun control people are the creepiest, scariest people on the left and in the Democratic party. Meaning not the soccer moms and so forth they try to appeal to, but the people masterminding the fight on that. In fact, if you look at DU polls - many many DUers are more pro-2nd amendment than pro-gun control. So who are these gun control people? So keep fighting on this, at least one party supports the 2nd Amendment. Other than this, I don't agree with conservatives or Republicans on anything, especially in terms of the working class. Hopefully this post will shame some DU admin into allowing more freedom of expression for progressives there. You guys can discuss problems in the conservative movement while we can't - we're only allowed to praise the Democratic party, otherwise, hit the road. I hope I shame some DU admin into making changes with this, but I doubt I will.
Yes, you are a legend. Deal with it. ;-)
But this is an unusual troll with vast untapped potential for intelligent thought....lol.
I'm late to this thread and it may have already been said. You are asking about and seem somewhat confused about the fact that on this site, there is more freedom to discuss varied and opposing ideas.
The confusion and the answer lie directly in that point. We talk about other ideas, and use them to compare to what we believe and think about our own. We don't simply throw them out, we face them down and state clearly WHY those ideas are not as good as ours. I'm not saying that people don't get banned, this site does not suffer fools, nor those who come to disrupt and taunt with propaganda.
You are sad that we are winning, but this site shows why. We have learned who and what we are, we have learned to express and defend our ideas against all comers, and we exercise those skills by allowing other ideas in and find the logical reasons why it wont work, or might, or why our own plans and ideas are better.
How can we do that? It took some 40 or 50 years in a political desert, it took some very good people to take some very real political arrows by standing up and saying the party/movement/accepted conservative ideas were wrong on certain ideas. It took the same standing on ideas we thought right. It took taking the blows when the liberals painted us with their own brush on racism and made it stick, in some cases to this very day, and there was nothing we could do but take it and get on with life. It took learning how to express our thoughts, logically and clearly, with examples that allow others to see that logic, and real life practicing what we preached to prove it.
Oh, and one other thing, we grow in numbers because in spite of what others believe when they come to post their ideas, and stay and fight even as they are getting pummeled with the logic and skills I've described above, they often find their ideas were nothing more than the rote propaganda of a failed system, and when when it's attempted to lay it out in the manner that is required to argue it effectively, find that it simply falls apart.
That said we are not monolithic. I lean quite libertarian, and clash with some of the social conservative ideas. Other are quite sure that faith and a belief in a higher power is the answer to all. But we all talk, we all do it without clashing too much, and we all accept and learn that overall, we are much closer than we are apart.
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And how is this germaine to conservatism? I will not be baited into debating the merits of communism, and whether leftists embraced it. Communism and socialism have destroyed millions of human beings. Freedom and conservatism allow people to achieve what they are willing to work for. It even allows failure.
My family has HATED stinking Commies for generations; lost almost the last of them still in Hungary in, '56.
I would say the way that I had a left-wing point of view economically is a lot of reading I did in the late 1990s. I was working for dot-coms at the time. I guess I can be honest more here than among my left-wing pals - I was a big-time stock investor! Peter Lynch, Warren Buffett, fundamental analysis and all of that.
Anyhow in April 2000 the market begins tanking. My stocks had gone up a lot, when they got down to 200% I sold half so I wouldn't lose my original investment. Of course, the half I held onto went to 0, or near it. But I kept my original investment, many friends lost a lot, or even bought on credit and were in worse shape than those who just lost. Following this was unemployment in IT. I was a lucky one who managed to jump from dot coms to Wall Street.
I guess if there's an event that pushed my thinking left economically, it was the stock crash and recession. In my reading, a lot of people moved left during the 1930s Depression so I guess that's what happened to me. And I agree with a lot of what the left wing economists say, which I could go into detail about. But that's why as you asked, I'm a green or left-wing.
I think that you have me confused with someone else. LOL
I like him, he's house broken, and I'm sure we can get rid of the fleas from where he's been playing over in DU. If we only allowed conservative thinkers and bots most of us would get bored real fast.
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What you are hearing in general, are the echoes of the other wing of the GOP - protectionist, quasi command control of the economy, etc. Coalitions are hard on the nerves to hold together. :)
If what you say is true, then you really don't understand that the Communist Left Wing Progressive Liberal Democrats had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the Stock/Tech boom economy of the 90's.
You can thank Conservative tax policy of the 80's for the investment capital and climate that made it possible.
Don't mind those who are out for your head. Heck, I'm suprised I havn't been banned several times since I joined in 2000, and I'm a conservative! Welcome aboard!
Take it from somebody who was born in the now Communist country of Cuba:
In the World, there will always be those individuals who are out to scr#w you. That includes capitalist SOB's in a capitalist society.
In a capitalist country, however, you have the option of changing capitalist bosses or even starting your own business and becoming your own capitalist boss (as I am).
In a Communist country, the Government is your boss and your boss will enforce his will by force of arms and by the G-2 dragging you away to the Gulag at 3:00 AM as they dragged away my grandfather.
The only thing worse than an SOB boss is an SOB boss with a gun to your head.
Nope. Someday, I hope to have an opportunity to tell you how much my family thinks of you.
Well, as far as the H1-B issue is concerned I regret you see a need to import IT people when we have American IT people looking for jobs in their field. I do see a need for H1-B's in fields where there aren't enough qualified Americans to be found. That's the reason I qualified my statement about the issuing of the visa's in certain fields.
At age 31 I was apolitical. If I'd been asked I'd have said I was Republican but it wouldn't have come from a strong personal belief but would have been becaused I was raised in a republican household. At the time I was too busy keeping a roof over my and my son's head and food on the table to even give politics a second thought. As time progressed and life became easier financially I was able to look up and pay attention to other things like politics.
You'll have FReepmail shortly but please don't expect much out of me tonight. Have you ever been so tired you're almost too tired to sleep? That's where I am tonight so while I normally enjoy spirited debate, I'm afraid my spirited is MIA for the time being.
Betting the farm on American laws insulating you from competition from the best and brightest in your chosen field, is one way to lose the farm. It won't happen, it can't happen, and even if the laws are passed, they won't work. It is time for you to move on to Plan B. Plan A is a loser.
Heck no, hippy! We zot first than convert! < /sarcasm>
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