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Condi is not ready for POTUS (vanity)
2/2/2006 | wuli

Posted on 02/02/2006 6:22:22 AM PST by Wuli

In reaction to the victory of Hamas in the Palestinian elections, Condoleeza Rice's response was:

"She's [Condi] asked her staff to look into that. Why is it that we didn't see this coming?"

I am sorry all you Condi supporters, but this is extremely disconcerting.

It is completely indicative of someone living in the policy wonk world of the State Department, getting 99.99% of their news and "analysis" from that world and clueless as to what is actually going on. 9/11 was the result of 40 years of that kind of myopic foreign policy thinking.

"Didn't see it coming?? Let's see -

(A)the Palestinians more than anyone saw the years of constant corruption and corrupt cronyism of Arafat and his lackeys; so we can conclude that the state department simply ignored how deep that corruption was and they ignored how well it was known and resented by the average Palestinian; they accepted the Arafat/PA media presentation of who and what Arafat and the PA were (NOT);

(B)without their public figurehead, Arafat's lackeys were more concerned about divying up the spoils and the perks of the PA, and the Palestinian people knew that as well; if how the PA managed the "takeover" of Gaza did not bring that to light at foggy bottom, then nothing would have;

(C)for all its moral and political corruption, Hamas:

(1)was not associated organizationally with Arafat or the PA,

(2)spent millions every year on Palestinian welfare and charity institutions, buying the support of millions of poor Palestinians and

(3)never adopted the "we will recognize Israel" position that Arafat and the PA adopted in the Oslo accords;

and finally -

(D) the "street" in the Palestinian territories credited Hamas and its terrorism as having secured Gaza from Israel.

And Condi, in what I can only look at as ignorance, says : "how did this [Hamas wins election] happen?".

It is apparent that you could not learn these things working at the State Department.

I am no more fond of "the media" than the next Freeper, but there is a difference between not being fond of the media and not believing all the media says versus being totally uninformed and clueless.

To recognize the biases in the media is one thing, but to turn all outside, independent information off; to not be informed beyond what only your staff and your bureaucrats tell you; to not seek information and analysis beyond the confines of those who are trying to shape your opinions, and still make public policy is the equivalent of having your head buried in bureaucratic quicksand. It's dangerous.


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KEYWORDS: anotheruselessvanity; condi; condoleezarice; hamas; ignorantnewbie; israel; middleeast; offtochatwego; palestinians; rice2008; terrorism; worthlessvanity
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To: Loyal Buckeye

I love Condi- she is one of the most stellar personalities EVER appointed to a public office. She is brilliant and a class act.
However-
She is an intellectual, an academic, an advisor. I just don't see her running for POTUS. She is far too above the fray.
Can anyone here actually see this lovely, elegant woman trading barbs with a mud sow like Hillary?
Really?


21 posted on 02/02/2006 6:46:15 AM PST by 13Sisters76
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To: Wuli
Like it makes a difference which Palestinian terrorist group won the election.
22 posted on 02/02/2006 6:46:22 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: Wuli
If Condi was clueless...

****
Condi ain't clueless, none of them are clueless, they know exactly what they are doing.

Those of us who can STILL see straight have got to quit beating ourselves over the head, or letting others do it. It is what it is.

They will allow us to keep putting on our rose colored glasses because it humors them but soon they will just step on them and crush them.
23 posted on 02/02/2006 6:46:29 AM PST by Esther Ruth (I have loved thee with an EVERLASTING LOVE, Jeremiah 31:3)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

We are glad to receive the intelligence of your reply. Please don't lower your standards.


24 posted on 02/02/2006 6:48:05 AM PST by Wuli
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Maybe it does or maybe it doesn't. That was not the issue. The issue is Condi's clueless stand as to why Hamas won.


25 posted on 02/02/2006 6:50:11 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli
The quote is not out of context. Check it out. Try Lexis-Nexis.

You need to produce the source of the quote. SOP.

Moreover, you have quoted Rice saying "She's [Condi] asked her staff to look into that. Why is it that we didn't see this coming?"

Does not make sense for Condi to refer to herself as 'She'. I suspect that you are paraphrasing rather than 'quoting'.

26 posted on 02/02/2006 6:50:22 AM PST by elli1
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To: Wuli
I like George. I met his dad while he was with the Redskins. He is a chip off the block. But, I would rather see him in the second spot, with Ms Rice. IMO, that would make it a landslide. What pair of Dims could beat them?

Of course, we have no way of knowing the future, and will have to wait and see. I just hope a train runs over the hildabeast... or she gets jailed for all her crimes, along with Bubba. (I'll put down the bong now)

27 posted on 02/02/2006 6:50:56 AM PST by pageonetoo (FReepmail me for bargain cruises! Bonded Agency.)
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To: Wuli
Condi Rice is far more qualified than just about any of your Democrat friends are.

Besides, she says she's not running, so what's your point?

Just out trolling, maybe?

28 posted on 02/02/2006 6:53:12 AM PST by Allegra (You Won't Find the Meaning of Life in This Tagline....At Least Not Today.)
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To: pageonetoo
By the way, we have some rules on FR. With the exception of a not-to-be-named old hag reporter, we post pics of the ladies...

And that other exception...a not-to-be-named junior senator from New York...

29 posted on 02/02/2006 6:55:06 AM PST by Allegra (You Won't Find the Meaning of Life in This Tagline....At Least Not Today.)
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To: elli1
From: http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/677684.html

U.S. State Department to investigate failure to foresee Hamas victory

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The United States is examining why it was caught off guard by Hamas' victory in Palestinian legislative elections last week, the U.S. State Department said Wednesday.

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice acknowledged earlier this week that she was surprised by Hamas's defeat of the Fatah party, which had dominated Palestinian politics for years.

"She's asked her staff to look into that. Why is it that we didn't see this coming?" US State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.

30 posted on 02/02/2006 6:57:51 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Allegra
With the exception of a not-to-be-named old hag reporter

H*l*n Th*m*s or

M**r**n D*wd?

31 posted on 02/02/2006 6:58:31 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: Wuli
The issue is Condi's clueless stand as to why Hamas won.

Like Condi is incapable of sarcasm?

The ability to detect sarcasm is a function of intelligence.

Dumb people like you are incapable of recognizing it.

32 posted on 02/02/2006 7:03:10 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: Wuli
We are glad to receive the intelligence of your reply. Please don't lower your standards.

You signed up today, but appear to be quite experienced in posting, therefore you are posting anonymously, which makes you a sneaky creep.

Kind of like a Democrat.

33 posted on 02/02/2006 7:05:08 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: Bean Counter

I am not tying "all these events" to Condi.

I am pointing out that "all these events", their history, their factual nature and the situation on the ground, in the Palestinian territories, that they help define, should have left no thorougly knowledgeable observer clueless, and needing an investigation, as to how they did not forsee the strength of Hamas. The facts were there, before the elections. They - the divas at the State Department - ignored them, dismissed them, played them down and did what they have done for forty years - built up the mythic proportions of Arafat and his organization.

Condi has changed nothing at the State Department.


34 posted on 02/02/2006 7:05:32 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Allegra

My political "friends" are all conservatives.

Condi may be a wonderful person. She has not "managed" or "tamed" the State Department. It runs her.


35 posted on 02/02/2006 7:08:44 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli
Answer (D) is correct. The equation is Hamas = getting Arab/muslim land out of zionist hands. They were rewarded for their Gaza victory.

If it is true that Condi didn't see this coming, then it that would be yet another indication of her misreading of the Israel situation.

36 posted on 02/02/2006 7:09:17 AM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: Wuli

If Condi were white and male his political stock would be near zero.


37 posted on 02/02/2006 7:09:18 AM PST by Rudder
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To: Wuli
I truly am saddened by each post or article I read regarding Condi not running for President ......
In the history of the Nation NO WOMAN has reached the pinnacles she has.... She is probably the most educated and knowledgeable Secretary of State we've had in a long time.......When you analyze the actions (mostly inactions) of previous Presidents and Administrations regarding their solem duty and responsibility of protection of the Nation and it's citizens, it is mind boggling how easily you dismiss Miss Rice.... I presume you'd prefer an experienced "non partisan" candidate. ..... In my humble opinion, if Condi Rice decided to run for President it would be a land-slide success.
I HAVE A DREAM ............... President RICE
38 posted on 02/02/2006 7:10:56 AM PST by IrishMike
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To: Cinnamon Girl

Her deparment says they didn't see it coming and she has asked them - the very people who didn't see it coming - to "investigate" why they didn't see it coming. The blind investigate the blind.


39 posted on 02/02/2006 7:12:32 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli
She's [Condi] asked her staff to look into that. Why is it that we didn't see this coming?" You don't get it but here let me explain it to you....

What she is really asking her staff is why she wasn't given a better synopsis of potential scenarios, in short she is asking them why they failed to do their jobs as they are supposed to.

If you believe that she can do her job or the job of the president solo and completely on her own, you don't have the slightest clue about leadership.

As soon as she said that I'm sure there were a host of red faces and red ears in her staff at being told they had failed the country, the president and her in their jobs and if they didn't get that message they are as equally clueless as the originator of this thread.

40 posted on 02/02/2006 7:14:56 AM PST by usmcobra (In my world after being arrested Cindy is sent to Iraq to assist with finding the mass graves)
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