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Danger Zone - (Haleigh Poutre)
National Review ^ | February 01, 2006 | Wesley J, Smith

Posted on 02/01/2006 7:29:10 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida

In the court (and courts) of life and death, a little 11-year-old Massachusetts girl named Haleigh Poutre could be the next Terri Schiavo. For those who have not heard the tragic story, Haleigh was beaten nearly to death last September, allegedly by her adoptive mother and stepfather. The beating left her unconscious and barely clinging to life.

Within a week or so of the beating, her doctors had written her off. They apparently told Haleigh's court-appointed guardian, Harry Spence, that she was "virtually brain dead." Even though he had never visited her, Spence quickly went to court seeking permission to remove her respirator and feeding tube. The court agreed, a decision affirmed recently by the supreme court of Massachusetts.

And so, no doubt with the best of intentions, a little girl who had already suffered so much was stripped by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts of even the chance to fight to stay alive. If she didn't stop breathing when the respirator was removed, which doctors expected, she would slowly dehydrate to death.

Close Call

Then came the unexpected:

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: childabuse; dehydratnfla; dontfeedtrolls; euthanasia; flstarvestate; gallagher4guv; haileypoutre; haleighpoutre; justicevseuthanasia; massachusetts; starvnfla; stopflmurders; tedstith; terridailies; terridailiesfeb; terrischiavo; terrischindler; wesleyjsmith
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To: 8mmMauser; floriduh voter; BykrBayb; T'wit
Avrett’s sister, Holli Strickland, adopted the girl in 1998. Avrett, pregnant at the time, said yesterday that she reluctantly signed adoption papers only because DSS officials threatened to take custody of her unborn child if she did not.

I f*cking knew it! Coercion!!!

681 posted on 02/09/2006 4:43:45 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

Lol, you forgot to add the "Village Voice"! You have to figure Armageddon is around the corner when they stand up and agree with a Catholic Pope(JPII) :)

We're all zealots on this bus!


682 posted on 02/09/2006 4:50:56 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

Yep, you could smell it a mile away!


683 posted on 02/09/2006 4:52:30 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: floriduh voter

Of course adultery would apply in the Schiavo guardianship case, in regards to MS's fitness as a guardian for his wife's best interests. That is how it should be.

The laws are worse than useless, if no one will enforce them.


684 posted on 02/09/2006 4:57:58 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

Lol, unfortunately I've had dealings with CPS. If you are in a weak position and don't know your rights, kiss your kids goodbye!


685 posted on 02/09/2006 5:20:08 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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To: BykrBayb

**I've been reading a very interesting book about doctors who were involved in the Nazi euthanasia programs. THE NAZI DOCTORS: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide, by Robert J. Lifton. **

The book you're reading sounds very interesting. The more we know about the past, concerning EUthanasia and etc, the better. Imo, Nazism is the same spirit,(the darkside)that has been so active in this country for the past several years. We fight not flesh and blood, but principalities and powers of darkness - paraphasing from the Book of Ephesians in the Bible.



686 posted on 02/09/2006 9:20:32 PM PST by Pepper777
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To: Ohioan from Florida
**I suppose you probably think all doctors who thought that Terri wasn't PVS are also quacks, huh?**

The word *quacks* is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too good for those who diagnosed Terri as PVS. There's no stinking way a person is PVS, who speaks words to their therapists within months of their injury.

IIRC, Dr Hammesfhar, recommended some sort of oxygenated therapy for Terri. I couldn't help but wonder if the same type of oxygen therapy, was the same thing that the miner in West Virginia received.

Everything possible should have been done for Terri and if Dr Hammesfhar thought the therapy might help her, then why did Schiavo/Felos/Greer prevent it? And why would others make fun of a doctor who only wanted to help her - then turn around and give a free pass to the ghouls, who would say anything for a buck? I know you think it's lunacy, just like I do, Ohioan.

I heard the audio tape of Terri speaking with her dear Dad. She responded to him. It was difficult for her to do so, which is understandable since she was DENIED speech therapy. Additionally, she was on a respirator for a period time. The scar was visible on her throat. It's my guess that her larynx was damaged.

My sister-in-law, who was brain damaged from an accident and was on a respirator, also had a damaged larynx from the tube of the respirator or the surgery to insert it. Therefore, when she began speaking her voice was strained and horse. Once my sis began speaking, she remember things from years prior to her injury.

As has been stated on the Terri threads many times by others - I've wondered if Terri would have spoken of hidden things, if she were only given the chance?
687 posted on 02/09/2006 10:12:40 PM PST by Pepper777
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To: floriduh voter

**Tom Delay is now on the JUSTICE COMMITTEE! How kewl is that???
"GOP leaders also awarded the Texas Republican with a seat on the subcommittee overseeing the Justice Department."

Excellent choice~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the earlier link, FV. :):)


688 posted on 02/09/2006 10:19:20 PM PST by Pepper777
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**So, I wonder what the policy was while Terri was being killed last March? WINO took sick leave then, a fairly new employee at the jail, and a request went out for other sheriff employees to donate their sick leave to WINO to make up for his time guarding Terri and telling the Schindlers when they could see Terri and when he'd send them back across the street.**

I couldn't believe my ears when it was revealed that Schiavo FORBID Terri's family from being in the room with her when she was literally at death's door and died. Then to even be more cruel, he refuses Terri a Catholic funeral, and kept her place of burial a secret for weeks. What a cruel, cruel man.

There's no way in blank, that Terri wanted to die in the company of Schiavo's friends and lawyers, instead of her family who loved her so much. I wonder if he will mention those facts in his stinking book?


689 posted on 02/09/2006 10:26:35 PM PST by Pepper777
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To: BykrBayb

**Bull hockey! They have the death penalty. They just don't apply it to criminals. They apply it to abused children, and other disabled people.**

Right on, BykrBayb~!!!


690 posted on 02/09/2006 10:30:25 PM PST by Pepper777
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To: Pepper777

I think that the treatment that Randy McCloy, Jr. was getting at the beginning of his hospitalization is something similar to what Hammesfahr suggested. They both had something to do with a hyperbaric chamber. Beyond that, I really don't know.

Good to see you around here, Pepper!


691 posted on 02/09/2006 10:41:17 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Pepper777

The men that Dr. Lifton describes are very familiar to me. They use the same arguments and reasoning as the trolls I've dealt with regarding forced euthanasia. They all felt morally justified in their roles. They honestly believed that what they were doing was right, not only for society, but even for the people they were killing. There was one particular Nazi doctor, who if I thought for a minute he could still be alive, I'd swear he was a certain Freeper who opused long ago. The similarities are really unnerving.


692 posted on 02/09/2006 11:55:46 PM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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Worth a close read...By MIKE PLAISANCE of The Republican.

Excerpt

Haleigh will turn 12 on Feb. 24.

We should have a birthday party, and in advance of that we should solicit birthday cards to be sent to her.

Excerpt

Although the court's decision to uphold the agency's right to remove her from life support outlined a history of more than a dozen abuse complaints going back to 2002, the redacted DSS brief omits that history, stating only that the adoptive mother, Holli A. Strickland, applied for voluntary services with the department for her daughter in June 2004 because the child "had been hospitalized and was exhibiting self harming behaviors."

In other words, they redacted info to protect themselves, not Haleigh. They actually included a false allegation against Haleigh, to make her look bad, and try to make themselves look good.

Documents detail diagnosis of girl in 'right to die' case

Thanks to BykrBayb for this info and idea.

8mm


693 posted on 02/10/2006 4:34:31 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; Abby4116; Alissa; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; ...

Ping to above post.......!!!!!


694 posted on 02/10/2006 4:35:28 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Pepper777
>> IIRC, Dr Hammesfhar, recommended some sort of oxygenated therapy for Terri. I couldn't help but wonder if the same type of oxygen therapy, was the same thing that the miner in West Virginia received.

Interesting question. I just ran a quick search and found the answer on the first hit. The answer is, yes, the same treatment that Dr. Hammesfahr recommended for Terri. It's called hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBOT). From a recent CNN story about that miner:

>>McCloy has received three treatments in a hyperbaric chamber designed to pump pressurized oxygen into his system to combat the effects of the oxygen deprivation and carbon monoxide poisoning he suffered.

HBOT was devised and first used for treating the "bends" in deep sea divers. Its applications have steadily widened over time. Here it was used to combat carbon monoxide damage -- we call it "poisoning" but its effect is to deprive the body of oxygen. Thet's the same sort of injury Terri suffered. The front area of Terri's brain was deprived of oxygen by an unknown agent. (The rest of her body, including rear areas of her brain, was unaffected by any oxygen deprivation, which is focused and important information about what caused her alleged "collapse.")

Earlier in this thread, I mentioned the death of an in-law relative in my family. That was carbon monoxide. An RN friend advised that while the heart is beating (it was), there is hope to reverse some or all of the carbon monoxide damage. Nevertheless, this person went through the "Harvard Conditions" tests, was adjudged brain dead, and carved up for spare parts -- while her heart was beating.

695 posted on 02/10/2006 4:39:09 AM PST by T'wit (Martyr applicants: You will have only 72 virgins to last for all eternity. Deflower sparingly.)
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Carrie Hutchens

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Gardner, 69, is apparently (according to Seattle Times) suffering from Parkinson's disease and has been showing symptoms since 1992. That's 14 years to decide that his life isn't worth living as it is. What about people who would like to have that same amount of time to enjoy whatever good their life might bring to them before it is time to go? People who might not get a chance if the law becomes suicide is acceptable and therefore mandated?

COMMENTARY - Assisted Suicide To Obligated Death

8mm

696 posted on 02/10/2006 4:41:54 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Of those, a number of esteemed journalists, advocates and attorneys repeatedly called for a halt to the forced dehydration of Schiavo, based both on the grave injustice to her such an action would affect and on the shockwaves that would be felt throughout our country's communities of vulnerable persons. Since Schiavo's court-ordered death, several similar cases have come into public view -- in Florida and from beyond the state's borders. Of these cases, none have more plainly proven the points of Schiavo's supporters than that of Haleigh Poutre.

We hate to say we told you so... - Pamela F. Hennessy

8mm

697 posted on 02/10/2006 4:45:30 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Haleigh’s mom wants out of DSS gag deal

8mm

698 posted on 02/10/2006 4:48:42 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Coleus; Ohioan from Florida; SmithL
Ping to the SmithL thread....

Why many disabled fight assisted suicide

8mm

699 posted on 02/10/2006 4:59:30 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Why is there a gag order on Haleigh's biological mother regarding her health?


700 posted on 02/10/2006 5:29:18 AM PST by Dante3
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