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U.S. Brings Back the .45
Strategy Page ^ | January 27, 2006

Posted on 01/29/2006 11:14:04 AM PST by John Jorsett

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To: Recon Dad

IPSC PF = wt * V / 1000

Where: wt=weight in grains, and V=velocity in fps

Major is from 175 up. 200 gr. .45 bullet at 900 feet/second = 180 power factor.

Minor is from 125 to 174.999. 125 gr. 9mm bullet at 1000 feet/second = 125 power factor.

Adding the caliber to the formula gives us a yard stick for it’s defensive potential. This formula favors bigger calibers, and heavier bullets... But then again - IPSC's formula was weight friendly too and people can moan about hydrostatic shock but that fact is bigger caliber bullets make bigger holes.


181 posted on 01/29/2006 1:15:25 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: John Jorsett

Springfield's XD45ACP looks like it would fit the bill nicely. High capacity but avoids the problem of Glock's 45ACP grip(which is too large for a lot of people.)

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-xdpstl-45acp.shtml


182 posted on 01/29/2006 1:17:05 PM PST by FreedomForce
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To: sheik yerbouty

If you're not willing to work on your pistol skills, a .45 would be an excellent choice. But I have no doubt I could "stop" someone with my 9mm just as easily as I could stop someone with my .45.


183 posted on 01/29/2006 1:17:06 PM PST by jess35
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To: ghostcat
These are not myths, these are facts. Any time you have a case failure you run the risk of a catastrophic failure to the gun.

Again, this is incorrect. A case failure will send gases down the mag well and usually blow the mag out. If any damage is done, it is usually to the mag and mag catch.

A catastrophic failure would be one in which the barrel is split, frame is damage and the pistol is ruined. These have happened to any number of different pistols, H&K, Glock, Ruger... These are always the result of severely over pressured ammo.

Proof of this can be seen in the FACT that H&K pistol have much better supported chambers than do Glocks. And yet they have still had major KB's in them.

It is the ammo, not the pistol.

184 posted on 01/29/2006 1:17:12 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: Westlander

Makes sense to me. They also make a lot of noise!


185 posted on 01/29/2006 1:17:54 PM PST by Recon Dad (Force Recon Dad)
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To: Paul_Denton

It is a war crime. The United States of America is committed by treaty not to use these types of bullets in warfare.
Whether it SHOULD be a war crime is another matter.


186 posted on 01/29/2006 1:18:44 PM PST by Cheburashka
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To: RichardW

"I wouldn't give a dime for one of those 9mm Berettas. I owned one and couldn't hit the side of the barn and they have no stopping power. I'd rather use a 22."

Mine is really accurate, but then again I can shoot.


187 posted on 01/29/2006 1:19:19 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: jess35

I find it to be quite accurate.


188 posted on 01/29/2006 1:20:09 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: John Jorsett
U.S. Brings Back the .45

America Returning To A Legend--John Browning BUMP!

189 posted on 01/29/2006 1:20:43 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: John Jorsett
The issue M1911 was a crappy pistol. Inaccurate as hell as issued to line troops. That's not to say there's anything inherently wrong with the .45 caliber itself because its not. But the relics they issued to us in the early 80's were ridiculous. Got the 9, and could actually hit something.

I've got no problem at all with an updated .45. I'd rather have fewer rounds in the magazine if I knew those rounds were going to do something when they hit.

190 posted on 01/29/2006 1:21:44 PM PST by XJarhead
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To: Recon Dad

If you want something big.....

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/0600/601.htm


191 posted on 01/29/2006 1:22:42 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; Squantos; Eaker; Shooter 2.5; 45Auto
PING!!!
192 posted on 01/29/2006 1:23:23 PM PST by ExSoldier
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To: hiredhand

Women and pansies. I don't use mine to shoot women and pansies.




193 posted on 01/29/2006 1:23:34 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: DTogo

A service issue .45, particularly if worn has a main source of inaccuracy. The barrel is aligned with the sights by the barrel bushing which wears. If the .45 with the action closed allows significant movement of the barrel in the slide, then it will not shoot acccurately.

This is very easily remedied by using eitehr a new bushing or a slightly tighter National Match bushing. Less than $10.


194 posted on 01/29/2006 1:25:10 PM PST by Wisconsin
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To: szweig

It was a NATO thing. Lots more 9mm in the world than .45ACP. The US is the only country that used it.

Damn the metric system!


195 posted on 01/29/2006 1:28:01 PM PST by Delta 21 (MKC USCG-ret)
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To: Westlander

"MINI-BARRETT".........I wonder how accurate it is? I've got a video of my son at an Israeli firing range shooting a Barrett at 800 yards, very cool.


196 posted on 01/29/2006 1:29:21 PM PST by Recon Dad (Force Recon Dad)
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To: 76834

Heart stopper.
Replace the SAW too.

197 posted on 01/29/2006 1:33:07 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Order of Battle: Sink or capture as Prize, MS Media)
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To: John Jorsett

I understand that in tests in which gelatin was used to simulate human flesh, the 9mm outperformed the .45 auto. Therefore, the .45 is a less effective weapon should we be attacked by jello monsters from outer space.


198 posted on 01/29/2006 1:33:54 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: DTogo

I have one built by Springfield Armory and it is a pretty good shooter.


199 posted on 01/29/2006 1:35:39 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: SampleMan
"I sure am glad he's MY brother."

"He ain't heavy..."

200 posted on 01/29/2006 1:37:35 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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