Well done!
Posted on 01/28/2006 5:45:08 AM PST by Ladycalif
Despite assurances from government officials that the border with Mexico is secure, a Department of Homeland Security document obtained by the Daily Bulletin reveals that law enforcement officials are seeking five Mexican nationals suspected of bringing explosives into the United States.The internal "Intelligence Alert" from the Office of Border Patrol -- issued to law enforcement officials Jan. 12 -- stated that the Mexican nationals were heading to San Francisco to sell the explosives.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailybulletin.com ...
"I finally said, "Here's what you need to do. Go set up some booths along the Rio Grande and ask the illegals and Arab terrorists coming across the borders for a donation. Because that's who is benefiting the most from our policies. I'm sure they'll be happy to keep things as they are and will be glad to help out..." She hung up on me."
lol. *thumbs up*
Two comments: I know nothing of that source -- of its credibility or validity, but, I do think it quite likely that the radical Muslim converts are not going to be very likely to go sign up for registry to be counted. It is no secret that Islam is growing very rapidly in Latin America, due to a very intensive "outreach" effort. I do not place much confidence in the happytalk numbers you provided.
However, an easier way for someone like yourself to know how to tell from a news article that 5 arbitrary Mexicans are not among the growing number of Mexican Muslims is to very carefully look for the words "5 Mexican Muslims" in the article. GEEEEEEEZZZZ!!!!! :)
Now this is interesting. Exactly what do you mean by "someone like yourself"?
You know nothing of me. You do not know who I am, nor do you have any clue as to my profession.
As fortune would have it, I happen to be a fairly well-known figure in a certain realm involving computer programming, including the authorship of books and magazine articles on the topic. As such, I like to think I've got at least a cursory grasp of the fundamentals of logic.
Therefore I am rather confident that I'm on solid ground when I inform you that your attempt to "prove a negative" is rather comical. The absence of any text labeling the five Mexicans in question as "Muslims" does NOT indicate that they are not Muslims. The only thing it indicates is that they are Mexicans!
It does not say that they are short Mexicans. Shall we thus assume that they are tall Mexicans?
It does not say that they are tone-deaf Mexicans. Shall we thus assume that they are members of a Mariachi band? I guess so, because it also does not say that they are not wearing giant sombero hats with fringe-balls hanging off the edges!
See where your "logical" silliness takes us? It takes us nowhere!.
I'll see your "GEEEEEEEZZZZ!!!!!" and raise you one "You poor little child."
Please try to be a little less eager to shove your weight around, and perhaps you might actually contribute something of value to a discussion.
And not to digress, but here are some references for you to think about. (Please note that I said "think" about, not "argue" about!)
http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/fromto.htmlThousands of Hispanics -- estimates range from 50,000 to 75,000 -- now attend mosques all over the United States, according to the American Muslim Council, an Islamic advocacy group.
I wonder how many of those 50,000 to 75,000 "Hispanics [in] the United States" are Mexican Hispanics? Hmm...
http://www.mexicoislam.org/activities.phpAnd...We have distributed 10’s of thousands of books that present Islam to Mexican interested in Islam over the past years.
http://www.racematters.org/islamtakesrootinmexico.htmAnd...Followers of Islam probably number in the low thousands in Mexico
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37133At this stage, G2 Bulletin sources say, the growing danger is that of militant Islam penetrating Mexico, a country with an increasing Muslim community, including Muslim converts. Some of them have ties to the Mexican community and to illegal immigrants' smugglers operating in American states bordering Mexico, especially those with connections in the greater Los Angeles area and other major cities.
Golly. Ties to the Mexican community, illegal smugglers, and California connections... mere coincidence, I'm certain, right? :)
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37981
A Mexico cover-up of U.S. terror threats?
President Fox's administration, sources say, is suppressing information that might reveal the actual size of anti-U.S. terror cells in the capital, Mexico City, and their connection to militant Muslim groups around Mexico and in many Latin American hotspots.
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Meanwhile, there are growing concerns about growing terrorist operations throughout Latin America. With Islamic "charities" under increasing international pressure and scrutiny to cut ties with terrorists, al-Qaida and other allied organizations are expanding operations in Latin America, establishing both legitimate and criminal enterprises to fund future operations.Counterterror experts monitoring the Central American scene are concerned with news that so-called youth gangs active in Central America are now moving north into Mexico. The youth gangs, known to be among the most ruthless street criminals in that part of the world, prey on prospective illegal immigrants. Some indications from Honduras and Guatemala suggest that gangs known as Mara-18 and Salvatrucha are already active in the Mexican state of Chiapas, stretching their activity to Tijuana close to the U.S. border.
A number of Mara-18 members are known to have ties with drug dealers, including those identified with some of the most radical Islamic jihadists.
Golly!
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,358223,00.htmlPRAYING TO ALLAH IN MEXICO
Islam Is Gaining a Foothold in Chiapas
Long a bastion of Catholicism, southern Mexico is quickly turning into a battleground for soul-savers. Islam, too, is gaining a foothold and the indigenous Mayans are converting by the hundreds. The Mexican government is worried about a culture clash in their own backyard.
http://www.muhajabah.com/latinos.htmLinks for Latino Muslims
LOTS of stuff there. And even more links by typing "mexican muslims" into google. How much more? Oh, "about 893,000 English pages for mexican muslims" -- that's how much more. (So now you know why I'm going to stop quoting them here, and let you peruse the source at your lesure! :)
Logic dictates that it is extremely unlikely that any single source will have a definitive count of the actual number of Muslims in Mexico.
You have yourself a fine weekend, and if you'll be so patient as to endure one more bit of advice from an old bastard who's been 'round the block a few times, try to be a tad less confrontational in your approach. Going through life -- or even "life" (the "e-version") with a chip on your shoulder, itching for a game of "Gotcha!" -- well, frankly, it sucks. It sucks for you, and it sucks for those you confront.
Think it over, but please, don't "get back with me about it", thanks in advance. My plate is plenty full enough already without going round the mullberry bush with anyone on what amounts to a "self-help" topic. I'm not a therapist, and I'm not even inclined to play one on the Internet.
Oh, wait - that would mean you have to take your head out of your a$$ and we can't have that.
That won't stop them - they will just build another tunnel under the fence - a tunnel which leads directly to the fenced in yard of a building used by THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT.
This is an incredibly naieve statement to make when there are an estimated 11 million illegal Mexican and other South American border crossers in the country.
The yearly quota is in the thousands. Millions more than that are trying to get here - any way they can!
Unless you live in a glass bubble or in a small town in the northern tier, try going down to your local Home Depot - those day laborers hanging around outside are generally illegals. Go to a hospital emergency room, check out the ethnic status of those waiting.
We are losing the "American Character" of many of our cities from the volume of the illegals....and the large families they have after they are here. America women are having babies only at the "replacement rate" - 2.1 per woman. The rate of growth of the illegal family, 4 to 6 kids, will overwhelm this nation in 20 years.
I used to spend a lot of time in San Diego. I admire the energy and willingness to work (and learn) of the Mexicans there....many illegal. But.....
We Can No Longer Afford the Unrestrained Influx of Illegal Immigrants to Our Country - From Either a Security or an Economic Standpoint!
Actually, it's far more likely to come via Canada. The Millenium Bomber was just one example.
Muslim terrorists are much more likely to speak English than Spanish.
Muslims find it much easier to legally enter Canada than Mexico.
There are numerous communities to serve as support groups for Muslim terrorists in Canada, virtually none in Mexico.
It is easier to cross the Canada-U.S. border undetected than it is to cross the U.S.-Mexico border. There are miles of unfenced open spaces between the Prairie Provinces and North Dakota and Montana.
If I were planning to infiltrate Muslim terrorists into the U.S., I'd do it via Canada.
That much is not subject to conjecture, it's known fact: There is a program to unite the entire hemisphere, from Canada to the tip of South America into one big... well, I guess the idea is to make it into some kind of clone of the E.U. "trade zone".
Part and parcel of this agenda will be open borders from Canada to South America. Madness, you say? Bingo. Bingo, and *sigh*.
I forget the name for this abomination (I'm exhausted at the moment) but it's been in the news quite a bit over the past six months or so. It's definitely happening, and I see nothing standing in its way. Long term? We're screwed. That's IF there is a "long term", which is nothing I'm about to wager serious money on at this point, what with the credible risk of EMP from Iran, or North Korea, or China, or Russia... or maybe even Pakistan or one of their clients.
I'm not particularly optimistic.
"selling explosives that americans wont"
that american's can't!
See, americans have all these pesky laws to follow, taxes to pay, and forms to fill out in order to sell explosives.
Why go through all that trouble when you can just have a bunch of people walk over a wide open border with the same explosives?
But hell, as long as we don't have to pay $6 for a head of lettuce, the open border is worth it!
Unless you live in a glass bubble or in a small town in the northern tier, try going down to your local Home Depot - those day laborers hanging around outside are generally illegals. Go to a hospital emergency room, check out the ethnic status of those waiting.
We are losing the "American Character" of many of our cities from the volume of the illegals....and the large families they have after they are here. America women are having babies only at the "replacement rate" - 2.1 per woman. The rate of growth of the illegal family, 4 to 6 kids, will overwhelm this nation in 20 years.
I used to spend a lot of time in San Diego. I admire the energy and willingness to work (and learn) of the Mexicans there....many illegal. But.....
We Can No Longer Afford the Unrestrained Influx of Illegal Immigrants to Our Country - From Either a Security or an Economic Standpoint!
I can attest to that.
I live pretty much as far as one can get from the Mexican border (within "the lower 48"), and my very rural area is seeming more and more like a border town.
Y'know how Mexican "border towns" have a reputation for being rather crime-ridden?
Well guess what. When that "border town culture" comes to your town... you're gonna learn to lock your doors, look around carefully when walking through parking lots -- or even when walking your own land -- or, you'll learn the hard way that you should have learned to be "wary".
I've noticed that these fellows tend to be kinda hot-headed, and as a result, every so often, they go off and kill each other. The nice part is that for the mostpart they generally restrict their killing to "each other". But, it's not universal. A couple of years ago, they jumped a farmer who made the mistake of walking to his barn from his house one fine morning, unarmed, and "un-wary".
I don't think there was ever any motive ascribed to the crime. They just did it. I guess it was convenient.
It's realy a whole 'nuther culture... a very alien way of life. And it's gradually pushing our culture off the table. And if you do the math, it's just a question of time -- and not MUCH time either.
So that's "Twenty First Century Country Living USA."
And when we drive to "the city" (depending on direction, a "city" of anywhere from roughly 15,000 to 100,000 population), the situation is even more grave.
The USA is rapidly losing its character, its culture, the "flavor" of what makes us who we are. The "Melting Pot" has been swamped with one unalloyed element which is changing the the final product beyond recognition.
No longer do "immigrants" come here to "become Americans". No, that's passe. Today, illegals, for the most part from Mexico, come here, either intentionally or "de facto" as part of the "reconquista".
They are turning the USA into a province of Mexico. They are doing so with the blessing of the Mexican government -- and, insanely as it is, with the blessing of our government too!
To those who would jump in at this point to scold on "racism" or some such crap, consider the same situation in any other country, and, the results. Take your pick: France, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Sweden... if they were to be innundated with illegal invaders from Mexico, in such a fantastic rate of insertion that the host country began to lose its own identity, its charactor, that which makes it the country it is... and it instead becomes for all intents and purposes, a province of Mexico, what would happen?
Would the world mourn the loss of Norway -- replaced by "Mexico NorthEast"? When "Nord" is replaced with "Norte", and Scandinavian culture is ground into the cobblestones, replaced by gaudy street whores, cheap trinket pushcarts, dope pushers, and smiling strangers more than willing to offer you a stiletto betwen the ribs -- or, your wallet in their hand -- well, will anyone mourn the loss of the national character of Norway? Or any other country?
In "Back to the Future", there's an almost funny line: "In the future, all restaurants are Taco Bell."
How about, "In the future, all nations are Mexico"?
I know, I know... Islam has designs on Europe, and is not about to allow Mexico to horn in on its turf. So, the picture I painted above is indeed "other than rhetorical", except that the "replacement culture" will be Arabian rather than Mexican.
That leaves.... us.
"In the future, all states are Mexican states!"
I really don't see any way around that, short of our "leaders" actually living up to their oaths, and protecting our unique national culture.
And I do not see that happening.
Looks like we are all moving to Mexico, even if we sit in place.
If you are middle aged or younger, you stand an excellent chance of living out your "golden years" in a third world hellhole. May God have mercy on you, because your new rulers certainly won't.
I don't like it.
And it's NOT that I "hate Mexicans". I have had Mexican friends. They were "assimilated", just as "MY people" assimilated after emigrating to the USA. My grandparents arrived via the Ellis Island "experience". Hardly much more pleasant than a quick trip across the Rio Grande, from what I understand -- but, legal -- and, they came here to become Americans.
And they did become Americans.
Did they preserve "old world" culture? Sure. Great cooking, traditions, and so forth. But they spoke English, and they integrated with American society.
They didn't live in squalor, saving every last penny to send back to "the old country". They didn't lapse into the mother tongue whenever in the presence of an American. And they didn't live by the shiv.
Good grief, look at what we have become. We are losing our nation, and we are content to let it happen, so long as we have our opiates: Television, Sports, Porn, Fast Food, maybe some "good dope" -- or Lite Beer -- and lots of Cheap Chinese Crap; a Big Car, a big TV... we are easily bought off, aren't we. The world's biggest "bowl of pottage".
Kiss your country goodbye. Learn to speak Spanish -- not Castillian, but the Mexican dialect. Best for now you learn to listen rather than speak the language. Learn to tolerate loud cars that hurt your eardrums -- and your eyes. Learn to basically live in a Mexican border town -- because that's what's coming to you, sooner or later. The numbers do NOT lie.
If there is anything that could cause the downfall of President Bush, it would be the lack of security on the border.
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It's about alot more than just security. Its soverignty, its the value of US citizenship, its is about our system of laws and equality under the law, it is about our CONSTITUTION and it is about the PRESIDENTIAL OATH.
"Look behind a BUSH, you will find a FOX..."
Well done!
You post the truth, Don Joe. Thanks!
I know it's not a perfect solution but if it slows them down, it's a help. It's more difficult than having them just stroll across.
Post of the week award and should certainly qualify for post of the year.
The only way in is through family or a needed skill. A needed skill will get you in faster. Family based immigration can take up to a decade from Mexico, depending on the relationship between the sponsor and the immigrant.
The vast majority of our immigrants from Mexico are family based, through illegal immigration.
Not really. Mexico has a very large Muslim community and it's just as easy for them to get a visa for Mexico then it is from Canada.
Middle Eastern males can blend more easily into a group of Latin Americans then they can a group of Caucasian Canadians.
Far more illegals from the Middle East are apprehended along our southern border then our northern border.
You pompous, arrogant a-hole. Let's get a couple of things straight. No 1 you started this exchange. No. 2 you are not going to get the last word. No. 3 get an argument before you respond because you have not articulated anything that is factual so far. You don't like the statistics on Muslims in Mexico (1000 in 97,500,000 inhabitants)? Fine! Refute it with sourced facts! I did. All you have to do is google my source but that seems to be a little to much for someone who believes he or she is the smartest person in the room.
Mexico is riffed with PRI cucarachas and rampant corruption.
You made several good points about Canada being a likely point of entry for terrrorists.
I would like to make a few points about the possibility of Mexico as a point of entry.
At first glance, many middle easterners have similiar skin tones/hair color to hispanics. That fact might lead them to believe they can "blend in" better on the southern border.
Many more illegal entries are made on the southern border, stretching the capabilities of all available enforcement agencies so thin the capture of terrorists would be less likely.
Human smuggling is more highly developed and organized on the southern border, so it would be easier for them to pay someone to smuggle them in. The human smuggling network on the Mexican border has links to every major city in the US.
Though I believe you are correct that support groups are more available to Muslim terrorists on the Northern border, corruption is so widespread in Mexico, even at the official level, support could easily be bought in Mexico and in border areas on the US side.
I admit I have never been to the Canadian border- but have you seen the remote areas of the Mexican border? There are many, many miles of remote areas of the Mexican border with little to no fence or markings. As far as ease of crossing the actual border; the millions of illegals that have already crossed are pretty good proof that it isn't hard to illegally cross the Mexican border.
If I were a terrorist, I would come in through the Mexican border, where crime and illegal entry are much more common, in all the chaos on the southern border I think I would be more likely to pass through unnoticed, and would bet I would be able to buy my way out of trouble if something went wrong.
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