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Ready for $262/barrel oil?
yahoo ^ | 1-27-06

Posted on 01/27/2006 5:23:10 PM PST by LouAvul

DAVOS, Switzerland (FORTUNE) - Be afraid. Be very afraid.

That's the message from two of the world's most successful investors on the topic of high oil prices. One of them, Hermitage Capital's Bill Browder, has outlined six scenarios that could take oil up to a downright terrifying $262 a barrel.

The other, billionaire investor George Soros, wouldn't make any specific predictions about prices. But as a legendary commodities player, it's worth paying heed to the words of the man who once took on the Bank of England -- and won. "I'm very worried about the supply-demand balance, which is very tight," Soros says.

"U.S. power and influence has declined precipitously because of Iraq and the war on terror and that creates an incentive for anyone who wants to make trouble to go ahead and make it." As an example, Soros pointed to the regime in Iran, which is heading towards a confrontation with the West over its nuclear power program and doesn't show any signs of compromising. "Iran is on a collision course and I have a difficulty seeing how such a collision can be avoided," he says.

Another emboldened troublemaker is Russian president Vladimir Putin, Soros said, citing Putin's recent decision to briefly shut the supply of natural gas to Ukraine. The only bit of optimism Soros could offer was that the next 12 months would be most dangerous in terms of any price shocks, because beginning in 2007 he predicts new oil supplies will come online.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
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To: zarf
LOL! You wanna see how fast Americans can switch to an alternative energy supply?

At that point, we strip-mine the damned coal, lynch any eco-weenie who objects, and start building coal-to-gasoline plants. And for power we go heavily nuke.

301 posted on 01/28/2006 2:07:46 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: mkjessup

Well, either that or just confiscate all of Soro's money. Works for me. I would emjoy seeing Soros homeless.

(Please forgive me....)


302 posted on 01/28/2006 2:08:03 PM PST by Morgan in Denver
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To: LouAvul

Where did I see that recipe for turning used cooking oil into bio-diesel?

As others state here, I can't see that happening for longer than a month or two. We might have to tap into the reserve in a major way, but other and better sources will come on line, conservation will make a big difference and Canada may try to supplant the Middle East as our biggest pain in butt. They may force us to watch hockey or something, but overall I think we'd come out alright--probably even better for the experince in the long run.


303 posted on 01/28/2006 2:11:21 PM PST by metalcor
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To: Mulder

I'm just starting on this thread but will still comment. Peak Oil is BS, IMHO.

If you are in the industry, I'll listen. If not, please don't be swayed by the doom and gloom crowd. The prediction of finite oil and gas has been overblown for years, and has been proven to be wrong each time.


304 posted on 01/28/2006 2:11:37 PM PST by Morgan in Denver
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To: Mulder
People were saying that about $40 oil. Then $50 oil. Then $60 oil. And $70 oil. So where are our alternative technologies?

Sigh. Remember the under-$20/bbl oil under Clinton? The investors are in a complex situation:

--if they sit where they are, they make a killing, but people get p.o.'d at them

--if they invest, they gain brownie points, but drive down spot prices, and risk taking a bath when prices fall again

--and they still have to deal with environmentalist whackos, entrenched interests from existing oil sources, economies of scale, creating the infrastructure to process and deliver the oil from the new locations, etc.

Think it through a litte, first, in more practical terms.

Cheers!

305 posted on 01/28/2006 2:14:15 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: babydoll22

Shortages of whale oil will drive the cost up. Oh yeah, we weren't here back then. Still, doom and gloom defy wisdom.


306 posted on 01/28/2006 2:14:25 PM PST by Morgan in Denver
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To: NormsRevenge

My thoughts exactly. No fear.


307 posted on 01/28/2006 2:15:14 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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To: Paul_Denton

You may not be an expert but your common sense is dead on.


308 posted on 01/28/2006 2:16:45 PM PST by Morgan in Denver
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To: Mulder
Do you think the rest of the world is going to starve while the US consumes 25% of the world's oil with 5% of the population?

What % of the world's food, innovation, Freedom, and Defence does the US supply?

Seriously, some of your remarks are beginning to resemble those of a troll.

After looking at your home page, I doubt that you really want to take it that far...

Cheers!

309 posted on 01/28/2006 2:16:50 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: tpaine
coals 'resource cost' [transportation] makes it uncompetitive in the energy market

I would not say that.

310 posted on 01/28/2006 2:23:10 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: VadeRetro

Developing resources is also hampered by envrionmentalists who want you to stop using oil or gas.


311 posted on 01/28/2006 2:23:21 PM PST by Morgan in Denver
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To: eastforker

The left does not need rigs. They will just wish it out of the ground.


312 posted on 01/28/2006 2:25:39 PM PST by Morgan in Denver
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To: Sunnyflorida
What the people on this thread are saying is that you CANNOT use two dimensional analysis. As the price goes up there is more supply. Who said, "at $262 people will turn cats and dogs into gasoline."

Note to self:

"Two dimensional analysis SO twentieth century... get with the new paradigm and stop paying attention to the non-instaninaitous nature of the transformation of cats and dogs into refined petroleum - $250 oil would be short-term (decades, max) event, meanwhile, THINK OUTSDIE THE BOX... does US really for example need scheduled commerical air transport? ... handful of people who really need to fly can just charter a jet at 10x current costs, meanwhile rest drive if they can afford gas until canine liquefaction infrastructure comes on line."

313 posted on 01/28/2006 2:26:09 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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To: Argus

My understanding is that oil sands are economic when oil reaches $100 /barrel. One problem is that the process is so corrosive that the plant's lifetime is only five years.


314 posted on 01/28/2006 2:27:17 PM PST by GregoryFul
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To: Sunnyflorida
Sunny writes:

Economics, BTW, is defined as the science of choices by my favorite economist.

Sowell is a favorite of mine, too..

If people had any clue they could have energy at pretty much whatever price they want. But you have to understand economics to get it.

Perhaps you can tell us all how you think Sowell claims that 'we can have energy at pretty much whatever price we want'?
Just how will that work?

315 posted on 01/28/2006 2:29:27 PM PST by tpaine
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To: RightWhale

What was your point then at post #95?


316 posted on 01/28/2006 2:32:32 PM PST by tpaine
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com
and save ours for the tough times.

Huh? Oil is an international commodity, whoever pays the top price gets the oil, where ever it comes from. The only "our" oil we have is in the SPR, sufficient as a short term supply buffer for unusual events.

317 posted on 01/28/2006 2:34:33 PM PST by GregoryFul
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To: tpaine

has to do with the definition of what a resource is.


318 posted on 01/28/2006 2:35:36 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: thackney

"When you hear estimates like "$80 / barrel" for shale oil, keep in mind those are usually calculated using $40 / barrel mideast oil to build and fuel equipment and extract the shale oil.'

This is nonsense; if there is $40 dollar oil there is no $80 oil (same finished product). The oil markets are more liquid. No body in their right mind would buy $80 oil if there were $40 oil.


319 posted on 01/28/2006 2:36:12 PM PST by Sunnyflorida
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To: F16Fighter

shutdown. all cost of goods skyrockets as a part of transportation costs, including food, energy. some people finding it cheaper not to work than drive 20 miles to work, if they cannot carpool. major political upheaval, unemployement, and if it last for any amount of time, the first depression since the 30's. Major public companies with heavy debt (airlines are just one) declare bankruptcy as they cannot meet covenants. That is just here.

It wouldn't be as bad as a large meteor strike but it would quickly result in major problems worldwide.


320 posted on 01/28/2006 2:39:57 PM PST by WoofDog123
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