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2,400-foot tunnel 'beats them all'
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | 01/27/2006 | Onell R. Soto and Leslie Berestein

Posted on 01/27/2006 7:24:10 AM PST by RS

"U.S. agents had been investigating the possibility of an elaborate drug-smuggling tunnel between Tijuana and San Diego for more than a year, but couldn't find it despite using military equipment so advanced it's classified"

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"“This tunnel beats them all,” said Michael Unzueta, special agent in charge of the San Diego office of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, "

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"“People are always going to find a way around us,” he said."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordercontrol; borderfence; bordersecurity; ca; california; dea; drugtrafficking; drugwar; duh; dumbusa; illegalaliens; illegals; immigrantlist; invasionusa; lawenforcement; leo; mexico; mexifornia; narcodemocracy; newworldorder; nm; omygodtheyfoundtom; openborders; otay; sandiego; smuggling; tijuana; tj; tunnel; warondrugs; wodlist
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To: RS; Travis McGee; ModelBreaker
"(1) The fence stops almost all illegal aliens;"

Almost all illegal aliens would be stopped by strict enforcement of existing laws, including the deportation of ALL illegals in the U.S.

It's actually cheaper to build the fence than it is to deport ALL illegals in the US. It also stops ALL illegals from dropping anchor babies, who you can't deport. At least, we don't deport.

You're fighting a losing battle...why not just accept the fact that your 'one answer' to the problem is the wrong approach? The US needs to take several combined steps to solve the problem of illegal immigration coupled with lax border security.

To argue for or against any one of the three required actions individually is to admit you don't want to resolve the problem.

Step one must come first, the other two can be done in either order.

41 posted on 01/27/2006 8:52:01 AM PST by HiJinx (~ Secure the Border ~ Fine the Employer ~ Deport the Illegal ~)
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To: RS

" Just how would the billion dollar version of the same thing solve the tunnel problem ?
"

Tunneling is a different issue that can easily be solved. In fact, as part of the barrier idea tunnel sensors can easily be installed,so, in effect, the barrier idea can have built into it an anti-tunnel capability.

Besides, do you not lock your doors and windows at night just because there might be other ways to get in? Why can't we lock our border?


42 posted on 01/27/2006 8:53:03 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: Travis McGee

Did you see the pictures of that tunnel on the other thread? It is amazing! Cement, pumps, electricity!

I can't wait until the info is published on everyone that was involved in getting that thing built.


43 posted on 01/27/2006 8:53:54 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: EternalVigilance

#25 - Well put.


44 posted on 01/27/2006 8:53:58 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: RS
Treking across the border is done by people with no or little money, just when was the last time a person with access to large funding got caught in the desert ?

Last year in McAllen, Texas, at the airport, with $9,000 in cash, a fake South African passport, wet clothes from having waded across the river, and family ties in Pakistan. She was deported.

Next.

45 posted on 01/27/2006 8:54:15 AM PST by HiJinx (~ Secure the Border ~ Fine the Employer ~ Deport the Illegal ~)
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To: RS
"“People are always going to find a way around us,” he said."

The right attitude is that we will always catch them, and make things harder for them next time. If American leaders throughout history had his attitude we wouldn't be here.

46 posted on 01/27/2006 8:55:03 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: Travis McGee

How deep does the fence go in Israel? I would guess they have covered the tunnel problem well over there.

However, they didn't count on Hamas winning the election. They should never have given up the land that they did IMO.


47 posted on 01/27/2006 8:55:08 AM PST by WestCoastGal (-Flank2 - Wake up guys!! Jack is back!)
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To: RS

One word ... Ground Penetrating radar, OK that was three words, but I think everyone who actually cares about border security gets the idea.


48 posted on 01/27/2006 8:57:05 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: patj

I'm not sure if it was this tunnel, but I read yesterday that a tunnel was discovered when a BP vehicle got stuck in a slight cave in driving on patrol which turned out to be a tunnel.


49 posted on 01/27/2006 8:57:32 AM PST by WestCoastGal (-Flank2 - Wake up guys!! Jack is back!)
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To: CodeToad

"Tunneling is a different issue that can easily be solved. In fact, as part of the barrier idea tunnel sensors can easily be installed -"

Easy to say, but you've just increased to cost of the Billion-dollar boondoggle by a large factor. You think these things, assuming they exist, won't go bad over time and have to be replaced ? That jackhammers or jets taking off on the Mexican side won't blind them ?


50 posted on 01/27/2006 9:00:20 AM PST by RS (Just because they are out to get him doesn't mean he is not guilty)
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To: edcoil
This is the 21st tunnel they have found. I think they need a backhoe to go along the border and uncover the rest.

I don't think they've started looking for them until recently. Our government has been inviting invaders from Mexico for decades.

51 posted on 01/27/2006 9:06:35 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: yarddog
That post #32 is a good one with a good point. Haven't seen your posts before, but keep it up.

Thanks. Been here for years and have thousands of posts. I guess none caught your eye before.

52 posted on 01/27/2006 9:08:42 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Travis McGee
By your logic, banks might as well remove their vault doors and unlock the front doors, fire the guards, and dismantle the cameras and alarms, "since commandos could just tunnel in anyway."

If the thugs won't give up, then why should the law abiding? Americans don't give up the good fight, and I question the motivations of those who say we should.

53 posted on 01/27/2006 9:08:58 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: Uncle Jaque
It might not stop Granny from sliding down the rail... But it sure will slow her down some!

ROFL!

That is one hilarious mental image.

(Thanks for the chuckle! :)

54 posted on 01/27/2006 9:09:35 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am *NOT a 'legal entity' .... nor am I a ~person~ as created by law!)
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To: RS

>"U.S. agents had been investigating the possibility of an elaborate drug-smuggling tunnel between Tijuana and San Diego for more than a year, but couldn't find it despite using military equipment so advanced it's classified"

If they could smuggle drugs through the tunnel isn't there a tiny possibility that undesirable, criminal/terroristic elements might have been smuggled too?

Deport all the illegal aliens now and seal the mucking borders!!


55 posted on 01/27/2006 9:13:28 AM PST by TheBrotherhood
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To: RS

"THIS is why people pushing for the billion dollar boondoggle of The Fence are going in the wrong direction.
Luckily, we have a President who knows that the fight must take place as far away as possible, and will not let himself get sidetracked."

Presidente Arbusto, the Chamber of Commerce traitors, and other illegal alien invasion deniers should be made to stay in that tunnel for 30 days with about 5,000 of their "they're just coming here to find honest work" buddies. If they find their way back to D.C. after their tunnel vacation, they can reconsider their policy options.


56 posted on 01/27/2006 9:13:57 AM PST by reelfoot
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To: Altair333

>Bush just needs to call in his prosecutors and tell them to start enforcing the laws already on the books. Word would get around among employers VERY fast and demand for illegal labor would go way down.

His masters won't allow him to that. They, (the puppet masters) are intent on changing our country and culture from a Christian European dominated one, to one resembling a 3rd world country somewhere between a Brazil and a Haiti.


57 posted on 01/27/2006 9:18:07 AM PST by TheBrotherhood
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To: RS

Why are you so dead set against a fence?

Do you really want to leave our porous southern border open?

Or are you arguing just for the sake of it? If so, stop wasting our time.


58 posted on 01/27/2006 9:18:54 AM PST by HiJinx (~ Secure the Border ~ Fine the Employer ~ Deport the Illegal ~)
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To: RS
Luckily, we have a President who knows that the fight must take place as far away as possible, and will not let himself get sidetracked.

Tell me, RS-

Where is the *logic* in fighting an enemy across the ocean while simultaneously allowing that SAME enemy to stream unchecked into your home camp?

59 posted on 01/27/2006 9:20:09 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am *NOT a 'legal entity' .... nor am I a ~person~ as created by law!)
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To: RS

"Luckily, we have a President who knows that the fight must take place as far away as possible, and will not let himself get sidetracked."

We have MS-13 and MS-18 running over us in S. Texas.

Pretty close to me, RS! And maybe bull headed...?

Troops, fence/wall, deportation and employer prison time now!


60 posted on 01/27/2006 9:27:57 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (Terroristas-beyond your expectations!)
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