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Estrich grates on my like fingernails on a chalkboard (are there any chalkboards even left in school?).

About the only point I agree with is that taping classroom discussions without the knowledge of the professor is inappropriate...though I know that I am being taped for 'noteservice' or other reasons...

I do not see it has a swipe against 'academic freedom'...as usualy she is frothing at the mouth over this.

1 posted on 01/20/2006 11:31:23 AM PST by flixxx
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I thought it was illegal to do.


2 posted on 01/20/2006 11:32:51 AM PST by bahblahbah
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Is there room at UCLA for an organization to provide mentoring and support for Republican students? Certainly. Could such an organization help conservative students organize campus activities, bring speakers to campus, even provide backup for students so they feel more comfortable speaking up in class? Why not?

She needs to read the works of Mike Adams
4 posted on 01/20/2006 11:35:25 AM PST by wolfpat (Dum vivimus, vivamus.)
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I like the idea. They are supposed to be teaching not brainwashing, eh???


5 posted on 01/20/2006 11:35:33 AM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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....that taping classroom discussions without the knowledge of the professor is inappropriate...

Not when the 'student' is paying for the lecture. Unless the student signs an agreement the liberal professor has had him/her sign, then it's tuff $hit.....they (liberal professors) deserve much more than being singled out....

6 posted on 01/20/2006 11:36:37 AM PST by Gaffer
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I agree that it will cause a seriously bad atmosphere in the classroom if students are taping their professors.

On the other hand, a lot of professors have misbehaved so seriously that it's understandable that it's coming to something like this.

Susan Ostrich says, "Professors who can't keep their politics out of the classroom need to be addressed by the administration." Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. In nine cases out of ten, its weak or leftist administrators who are responsible for the mess most of our academic departments have gotten into. Expecting them to clean it up is like expecting Satan to straighten out the problems of war and hunger.

I don't know what to suggest, except that political pressure is needed, from legislatures, alumni, and parents, and probably students as well, before these moonbat professors will change their ways. I wouldn't go into the teaching profession today for precisely these reasons. It's no longer a matter of just getting in there and teaching the truth, as best you can. It's a matter of battling political forces in every direction.


7 posted on 01/20/2006 11:36:46 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Are there more liberals than conservatives teaching in America's top universities? Probably.

They enforce a leftist orthodoxy and anyone not toeing the line, (Achtung! Schnell!) is serverly punished. This goes on in every college across America. It is the campus liberal who squishes free speech and dissent with a totalitarin iron fist.

8 posted on 01/20/2006 11:38:30 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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It should be the policy of every college that any student can tape his classes. The student should not be allowed to then sell those tapes. But since the student is paying the tuition, he should be allowed to tape them, even if the prof doesn't like it. In fact, with the coming of podcasts, I think that each college should have a policy where every class is taped by the college, and is kept on file for at least one month. That should persuade some profs from spending 30 minutes of every 90-minute Intro to English class on bashing Bush ans saying that Christianity is stupid. That is what Philip Hu, a teacher of English at Cerritos College in CA does. It is unethical, and if he was properly exposed, perhaps it would be stopped or at least diminished.


9 posted on 01/20/2006 11:39:12 AM PST by DeweyCA
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It would seem like the professors would be censuring themselves if they "toned down" their lectures due to taping. Not very strong in their convictions are they.

As you pointed out, I think most schools have a no-tape policy because of the cheating services out there. I'd imagine the legality would vary state to state. Most of my professor's didn't care though. It's quite obvious if you were using a cheat service when you ace all your term papers then get a 14 on the final.

Then again I was a comp sci student. While possible, it's a lot harder to but a liberal bias on hash tables and Turing machines ;)
10 posted on 01/20/2006 11:39:37 AM PST by tfecw (It's for the children)
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"About the only point I agree with is that taping classroom discussions without the knowledge of the professor is inappropriate"

Why? Why is recoding the lecture with magnetic tape any different than using a carbon pencil and paper? (other than being more accurate?) A good typist could probably use a laptop to transcribe a professor's lecture verbaitum - would that be inappropiate also? Especially since the student is paying thousands of dollars for the information the professor is imparting.

12 posted on 01/20/2006 11:40:38 AM PST by joebuck
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I've been teaching for 25 years, the last 15 at the University of Southern California. In my classrooms, I have only three hard and fast rules. No political correctness. Every point of view is not only welcome but also essential to a full discussion. Nothing said in the classroom leaves the classroom. If you don't agree with something, you argue the other side. I've never had a COMPLAINT in 25 years.

Only a fool would pay to stay in her class. I bet she hasn't had one conservative student for at least ten years.


13 posted on 01/20/2006 11:40:42 AM PST by proudpapa (of three.)
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nobody is censoring them, maybe they are and should be showing self restraint.


14 posted on 01/20/2006 11:40:47 AM PST by Echo Talon
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If Estrich thinks that universities are places for the free exchange of ideas, she needs a serious reality check.
To my knowledge, no one is advocating "censoring" professors. I think the goal is to just expose them so any student considering taking a course taught by one of them can be forewarned.


16 posted on 01/20/2006 11:41:39 AM PST by oneofmany (ACLU -- Destroying America since 1920)
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Maybe this will put a STOP to the indoctrination of our kids....having said that...

Pro 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

17 posted on 01/20/2006 11:42:01 AM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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Are there more liberals than conservatives teaching in America's top universities? Yes.

Are there more conservatives than liberals running America's top companies? Yes--which is why we are the economic powerhouse that we are.


18 posted on 01/20/2006 11:42:02 AM PST by jcb8199
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...the classroom will no longer be a place where students and faculty can discuss ideas freely.

She clearly has no concept of what happens to conservative students who dare challenge some leftist professor's ideas!

Or she does but she going to lie about it anyway.

19 posted on 01/20/2006 11:43:12 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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If it has its way, the classroom will no longer be a place where students and faculty can discuss ideas freely. Shame on them.

Orwell called this newspeak. Exactly the opposite effect will transpire when students are allowed to voice views that contradict the radical left spewings of these "professors" without fear of recrimination.

If Estrich is screaming about it it's easy to figure out who's ox is being gored.

21 posted on 01/20/2006 11:44:10 AM PST by tx_eggman (Unforgiveness is like eating rat poison and expecting the other person to get sick.)
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"Are there more liberals than conservatives teaching in America's top universities? Probably.

Are there more conservatives than liberals running America's top companies? Probably."

So - - companies are providing the money for these Communist propagandist professors to tear apart the United States?

UCLA - - - ACLU - - - -hmmm.


25 posted on 01/20/2006 11:46:12 AM PST by RoadTest (- - Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit. - Isaiah 27:6b)
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Imagine asking a question, or expressing a point of view, knowing that a fellow student is taking detailed notes and taping the class for purposes of monitoring the slant of everything that is said – in the name of political correctness.

I express a lot of points of view in my classroom, and I let students tape everything I say. (As a matter of courtesy, I think a student should ask first.) Why say something to a roomful of people if you wish to hide it?

27 posted on 01/20/2006 11:47:51 AM PST by untenured (http://futureuncertain.blogspot.com)
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Are there more liberals than conservatives teaching in America's top universities? Probably.

Are there more conservatives than liberals running America's top companies? Probably.

Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach.

29 posted on 01/20/2006 11:49:29 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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LOL!

The liberal tool of word redefinition is a perennial favorite.

Here's a clue: Exposure is not censorship! Look up the words.

31 posted on 01/20/2006 11:51:35 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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