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Remembering Two Great Americans
EverVigilant.net ^ | 01/19/2006 | Lee R. Shelton IV

Posted on 01/19/2006 11:20:56 AM PST by sheltonmac

You probably won't find anything special printed on your calendar for the 19th and 21st of January. In case you are wondering, those are the respective birthdays of Generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson.

As a nation we have already honored Martin Luther King, Jr., and will commemorate the birthdays of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln next month, but Lee and Jackson are especially dear to my heart. They were great men who embodied the inspiring courage, uncompromising honesty, principled conviction and moral fortitude we no longer see in our leaders today.

Both Lee and Jackson were men of action who fought valiantly to defend their homes and families. Jackson made it clear that if it were up to him, the South would "raise the black flag" and show no quarter to the enemy invading their homeland. They realized that while war was sometimes necessary, it should never be entered into lightly. As Lee put it, "It is good that war is so terrible, else we should grow too fond of it."

Lee and Jackson were Southern gents through and through. Consider Lee's Definition of a Gentleman:

Jackson's wife, Mary Anna, wrote of her husband that he "was a great advocate for marriage, appreciating the gentler sex so highly that whenever he met one of the 'unappropriated blessings' under the type of truest womanhood, he would wish that one of his bachelor friends could be fortunate to win her."

Both Lee and Jackson believed in principle over pragmatism. Lee once said, "I think it better to do right, even if we suffer in so doing, than to incur the reproach of our consciences and posterity." Jackson summed it up this way: "Duty is ours; consequences are God's."

Jackson never lived to see the fall of his beloved South, but Lee was gracious even in defeat. When approached by those who wished to remain bitter after surrendering he said, "Abandon your animosities and make your sons Americans." It was his position that "we must forgive our enemies. I can truly say that not a day has passed since the war began that I have not prayed for them."

Above all, Lee and Jackson were men of God. Lee loved to pray. He would be sure to let people know that he was praying for them, and he felt encouraged when he was remembered in their prayers. Once, upon hearing that others had been praying for him, he remarked, "I sincerely thank you for that, and I can only say that I am a poor sinner, trusting in Christ alone, and that I need all the prayers you can offer for me."

Jackson was the epitome of a life devoted to prayer. No matter was too insignificant that it did not warrant communion with the Father: "I have so fixed the habit in my mind that I never raise a glass of water to my lips without asking God's blessing, never seal a letter without putting a word of prayer under the seal, never take a letter from the post without a brief sending of my thoughts heavenward. I never change my classes in the lecture room without a minute's petition for the cadets who go out and for those who come in."

Jackson had an intimate knowledge of the sovereignty of God and rested in the promises of his Heavenly Father. Following the loss of his first wife, Ellie, who died almost immediately after giving birth to a stillborn son, he wrote to his sister-in-law, "I have been called to pass through the deep waters of affliction, but all has been satisfied. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, blessed be the name of the Lord. … I can willingly submit to anything if God strengthens me." It was this unshakeable faith that taught him "to feel as safe in battle as in bed."

The more I see what passes for leadership today in our government, in our churches and in our homes, the more I am convinced that we need men like Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. Jackson. I guess it's time for me to watch Gods and Generals again.


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To: Clemenza

The United States was saved from scheming, pro-slavery, insurrectionist politicians.

201 posted on 01/20/2006 5:49:28 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is Never Free)
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To: Badray

Your are asking to much of them. They haven't got a proverbial clue :)


202 posted on 01/20/2006 5:50:40 AM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: injin
There were some of the best and noble spirits America has ever produced on both sides of the conflict. I think that the Union was 100% right, but if we don't see the nobility of many Americans at that time, even if we reject their allegiance, we risk falling into the trap of Democratic-style blind broad-brush invective.

I appreciate you posting the actions of two great Americans. It did me a lot of good.

203 posted on 01/20/2006 6:03:08 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: linda_22003

My bad......filly.......as in female horse......

A substitute word for young lass.....a word my friend used in keeping with the horse theme of the party......

And it's always a blast!!


204 posted on 01/20/2006 7:09:44 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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To: eleni121

This is interesting, Marx was obviously fond of Lincoln:

Address of the International Working Men's Association to Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States of America
Presented to U.S. Ambassador Charles Francis Adams
January 28, 1865 [A]

Written: by Marx between November 22 & 29, 1864
First Published: The Bee-Hive Newspaper, No. 169, November 7, 1865;
Transcription/Markup: Zodiac/Brian Basgen;
Online Version: Marx & Engels Internet Archive (marxists.org) 2000.


Sir:

We congratulate the American people upon your re-election by a large majority. If resistance to the Slave Power was the reserved watchword of your first election, the triumphant war cry of your re-election is Death to Slavery.

From the commencement of the titanic American strife the workingmen of Europe felt instinctively that the star-spangled banner carried the destiny of their class. The contest for the territories which opened the dire epopee, was it not to decide whether the virgin soil of immense tracts should be wedded to the labor of the emigrant or prostituted by the tramp of the slave driver?

When an oligarchy of 300,000 slaveholders dared to inscribe, for the first time in the annals of the world, "slavery" on the banner of Armed Revolt, when on the very spots where hardly a century ago the idea of one great Democratic Republic had first sprung up, whence the first Declaration of the Rights of Man was issued, and the first impulse given to the European revolution of the eighteenth century; when on those very spots counterrevolution, with systematic thoroughness, gloried in rescinding "the ideas entertained at the time of the formation of the old constitution", and maintained slavery to be "a beneficent institution", indeed, the old solution of the great problem of "the relation of capital to labor", and cynically proclaimed property in man "the cornerstone of the new edifice" — then the working classes of Europe understood at once, even before the fanatic partisanship of the upper classes for the Confederate gentry had given its dismal warning, that the slaveholders' rebellion was to sound the tocsin for a general holy crusade of property against labor, and that for the men of labor, with their hopes for the future, even their past conquests were at stake in that tremendous conflict on the other side of the Atlantic. Everywhere they bore therefore patiently the hardships imposed upon them by the cotton crisis, opposed enthusiastically the proslavery intervention of their betters — and, from most parts of Europe, contributed their quota of blood to the good cause.

While the workingmen, the true political powers of the North, allowed slavery to defile their own republic, while before the Negro, mastered and sold without his concurrence, they boasted it the highest prerogative of the white-skinned laborer to sell himself and choose his own master, they were unable to attain the true freedom of labor, or to support their European brethren in their struggle for emancipation; but this barrier to progress has been swept off by the red sea of civil war.

The workingmen of Europe feel sure that, as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes. They consider it an earnest of the epoch to come that it fell to the lot of Abraham Lincoln, the single-minded son of the working class, to lead his country through the matchless struggle for the rescue of an enchained race and the reconstruction of a social world. [B]

Signed on behalf of the International Workingmen's Association, the Central Council:

Longmaid, Worley, Whitlock, Fox, Blackmore, Hartwell, Pidgeon, Lucraft, Weston, Dell, Nieass, Shaw, Lake, Buckley, Osbourne, Howell, Carter, Wheeler, Stainsby, Morgan, Grossmith, Dick, Denoual, Jourdain, Morrissot, Leroux, Bordage, Bocquet, Talandier, Dupont, L.Wolff, Aldovrandi, Lama, Solustri, Nusperli, Eccarius, Wolff, Lessner, Pfander, Lochner, Kaub, Bolleter, Rybczinski, Hansen, Schantzenbach, Smales, Cornelius, Petersen, Otto, Bagnagatti, Setacci;

George Odger, President of the Council; P.V. Lubez, Corresponding Secretary for France; Karl Marx, Corresponding Secretary for Germany; G.P. Fontana, Corresponding Secretary for Italy; J.E. Holtorp, Corresponding Secretary for Poland; H.F. Jung, Corresponding Secretary for Switzerland; William R. Cremer, Honorary General Secretary


205 posted on 01/20/2006 7:10:42 AM PST by Flavius Josephus (Ahmedi-nijad: Make Your Time.)
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To: eleni121

I can't find the references I need that show Lincoln read Marx avidly and complimented him, but I have read it here on FR. Not so surprising, Marx's ideas sound great, Lincoln was a populist, and Marx didn't have that 200 million death track record at the time.


206 posted on 01/20/2006 7:22:17 AM PST by Flavius Josephus (Ahmedi-nijad: Make Your Time.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Thank you, I'll tell him you said so! And happy birthday to you too, whenever that may be! :)


207 posted on 01/20/2006 8:34:26 AM PST by derllak
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To: Flavius Josephus

Interesting Marx letter...what a hypocrite especially since the real horrors of "working men" were not to be found in the South but in the sordid conditions of factories in the North...not to mention England.


208 posted on 01/20/2006 8:48:17 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: TexConfederate1861
If the shoe fits. And don't think for one single minute that I am worried about your veiled threat.

Not a threat loopy. It's the proper way to deal with keyboard cowards who call people names from behind the safety and annonimity of of a flickering monitor. You started the name calling. And in a most cowardly fashion, you didn't even have the decency to ping me to posts where called me names to others.

209 posted on 01/20/2006 9:03:40 AM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Badray
Read MLK's own words. He was a Marxist.

That's often said, but never proven. However, even if it were proven, he's not known for Marxism but for his work righting horrible wrongs in America. See, you may not want to admit it, but blacks were treated like absolute crap in this country, and MLK was one of those who stood up and did something about it. Unfortunately it cost him his life.

210 posted on 01/20/2006 9:05:34 AM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Melas

No. I was very happy with the holidays we had and saw no reason to change. I am ambivalent about his work and him as a man. He may have done many things for others, but did nothing that directly benefited meas the founding fathers ( or other great statesman or scientists etc.. ) did in creating my great country.

Reagan did more for the world than MLK's legacy can ever claim and all he has is an Aircraft Carrier. He needs holiday.


211 posted on 01/20/2006 9:11:29 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: Melas

Well let's see who started what:

1. You called all Confederate Soldiers Traitors. (That is just about as insulting as you can get.)

2. You are not even a Texas native, yet you presume to criticize.

3. You claim to be a Christian, and yet you make a THREAT?!
(Sorry, not my brand of Christianity)

And if you think you scare me with your big, bad, biker persona, you don't.

Don't get mad, just go back to Colorado, with the rest of the whiny, Hollywood Liberal types. Leave Texas to the people that cherish and honor her.

Now, if you want to be a gentleman, admit you went just a bit to far with your insults, then I would probably be willing to do the same.

That would be TRUE Christianity. The next move is yours.


212 posted on 01/20/2006 9:12:30 AM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: Wolfstar

Exactly as I said in a nother reply Reagan did more for this country and the world than MLK ever did. IMO BUsh 43 did more than MLK for the world and our country.

I agree that if we have a named holiday there are more deserving persons. This holiday was created to appease a small percentage of the population just as other goverment programs have attempted to do.


213 posted on 01/20/2006 9:14:02 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: shield
we've got Americans today as great as these two men.

I agree.

214 posted on 01/20/2006 9:17:10 AM PST by elbucko
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To: TexConfederate1861
Don't get mad, just go back to Colorado, with the rest of the whiny, Hollywood Liberal types. Leave Texas to the people that cherish and honor her.

Sorry to dissapoint but my home is here, my parents are buried here, and I'm not going anywhere. I really don't care who's unhappy with my presence, I'm not budging. Besides, I can ride my motorcycle and mountain bike year round in Texas.

Now, if you want to be a gentleman, admit you went just a bit to far with your insults, then I would probably be willing to do the same. That would be TRUE Christianity. The next move is yours.

Sigh....I guess I can't really say that my anger represented Christianity well. One of the many parts I'm still working on. You have my apology.

215 posted on 01/20/2006 9:21:40 AM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: One Proud Dad
This my friend is why MLK deserves the honor. No matter how anyone feels about his politics, or whatever personal flaws he had in his character, the following still stands as a shining example of not only American ideals, but an ideal that encapsulates the very fundamentals of humanity:

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of captivity. But one hundred years later, we must face the tragic fact that the Negro is still not free.

One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land.

So we have come here today to dramatize an appalling condition. In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir.

This note was a promise that all men would be guaranteed the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation.

So we have come to cash this check -- a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to open the doors of opportunity to all of God's children. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment and to underestimate the determination of the Negro. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights.

The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges. But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.

We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. we must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom.

We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" we can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.

Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair. I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slaveowners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a desert state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day the state of Alabama, whose governor's lips are presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls and walk together as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together. This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to the South. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring." And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania! Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado! Let freedom ring from the curvaceous peaks of California! But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia! Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee! Let freedom ring from every hill and every molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"

216 posted on 01/20/2006 9:26:00 AM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Melas

You know, to date I have never read or heard the entire " I have a dream" speech and today is no different.

Reagan's inaugural ( both ) was way better. Almost every speech Reagan made was better. Lincoln Address was better. and on and on...


217 posted on 01/20/2006 9:49:47 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: Melas

Then Sir, you have mine as well. May I suggest a good book on the Texas involvement in the war? It is called "To the Tyrants never yield", and is a great book, written by a Texas educator. I have absolutely no problem with your disagreement on which side was right. (P.S. ALL Christians, have to struggle :) Myself included.)


I don't know if you are familiar, but Robert E. Lee was a fine example of a true Christian Gentleman...


218 posted on 01/20/2006 10:10:42 AM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: derllak

April 17th to be exact and thank you :)


219 posted on 01/20/2006 10:34:22 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

I don't forget birthdays! Now how many spankings will I be giving you? Lol! :)


220 posted on 01/20/2006 11:29:57 AM PST by derllak
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