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Remembering Two Great Americans
EverVigilant.net ^ | 01/19/2006 | Lee R. Shelton IV

Posted on 01/19/2006 11:20:56 AM PST by sheltonmac

You probably won't find anything special printed on your calendar for the 19th and 21st of January. In case you are wondering, those are the respective birthdays of Generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson.

As a nation we have already honored Martin Luther King, Jr., and will commemorate the birthdays of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln next month, but Lee and Jackson are especially dear to my heart. They were great men who embodied the inspiring courage, uncompromising honesty, principled conviction and moral fortitude we no longer see in our leaders today.

Both Lee and Jackson were men of action who fought valiantly to defend their homes and families. Jackson made it clear that if it were up to him, the South would "raise the black flag" and show no quarter to the enemy invading their homeland. They realized that while war was sometimes necessary, it should never be entered into lightly. As Lee put it, "It is good that war is so terrible, else we should grow too fond of it."

Lee and Jackson were Southern gents through and through. Consider Lee's Definition of a Gentleman:

Jackson's wife, Mary Anna, wrote of her husband that he "was a great advocate for marriage, appreciating the gentler sex so highly that whenever he met one of the 'unappropriated blessings' under the type of truest womanhood, he would wish that one of his bachelor friends could be fortunate to win her."

Both Lee and Jackson believed in principle over pragmatism. Lee once said, "I think it better to do right, even if we suffer in so doing, than to incur the reproach of our consciences and posterity." Jackson summed it up this way: "Duty is ours; consequences are God's."

Jackson never lived to see the fall of his beloved South, but Lee was gracious even in defeat. When approached by those who wished to remain bitter after surrendering he said, "Abandon your animosities and make your sons Americans." It was his position that "we must forgive our enemies. I can truly say that not a day has passed since the war began that I have not prayed for them."

Above all, Lee and Jackson were men of God. Lee loved to pray. He would be sure to let people know that he was praying for them, and he felt encouraged when he was remembered in their prayers. Once, upon hearing that others had been praying for him, he remarked, "I sincerely thank you for that, and I can only say that I am a poor sinner, trusting in Christ alone, and that I need all the prayers you can offer for me."

Jackson was the epitome of a life devoted to prayer. No matter was too insignificant that it did not warrant communion with the Father: "I have so fixed the habit in my mind that I never raise a glass of water to my lips without asking God's blessing, never seal a letter without putting a word of prayer under the seal, never take a letter from the post without a brief sending of my thoughts heavenward. I never change my classes in the lecture room without a minute's petition for the cadets who go out and for those who come in."

Jackson had an intimate knowledge of the sovereignty of God and rested in the promises of his Heavenly Father. Following the loss of his first wife, Ellie, who died almost immediately after giving birth to a stillborn son, he wrote to his sister-in-law, "I have been called to pass through the deep waters of affliction, but all has been satisfied. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, blessed be the name of the Lord. … I can willingly submit to anything if God strengthens me." It was this unshakeable faith that taught him "to feel as safe in battle as in bed."

The more I see what passes for leadership today in our government, in our churches and in our homes, the more I am convinced that we need men like Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. Jackson. I guess it's time for me to watch Gods and Generals again.


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To: TexConfederate1861
BTW: I can STILL kick your confederate a-s, even though I've been dead for a century and a half!


81 posted on 01/19/2006 2:23:22 PM PST by Clemenza
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To: exdem2000

The name and Author

LEE


by R.H. Dykers



82 posted on 01/19/2006 2:23:29 PM PST by exdem2000
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To: kenavi

Not personally......:)

Who fired first isn't the issue. It is more like who provoked who first.


83 posted on 01/19/2006 2:23:33 PM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: eleni121

I saw it, but I'm not sure what I was supposed to be looking for...


84 posted on 01/19/2006 2:24:10 PM PST by SC33
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To: Clemenza

Actually, I used to think the same thing. I did a Thesis for my Masters at UT Austin on that very subject. Most Germans were pacifist, and quite a few actually served in the Confederate Army.


85 posted on 01/19/2006 2:25:13 PM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: Colt .45

[1] He won.[2] Nothing Napoleon and most armies hadn't done already [3] First general in America to understand modern warfare in the industrial age [4] I seem to recall Early and Stuart robbing banks, or extorting money under threat of arson earlier in the war. Morgan did commit bank robbery[5] Since we've been graced with yet another ode to N.B Forrest, I'd argue lack of standing on the thread to complain about Sherman.


86 posted on 01/19/2006 2:27:07 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: eleni121

Eh...victorious, yes. Not great in quite the same way that Lee was, but great in his own way. Grant knew exactly how to use the North's superiority in men and materiel, and was willing to absorb the casualties necessary to grind down the South in a war of attrition that it couldn't win. He wasn't the tactical master that some of the Southern generals were, but he didn't have to be. He fought his war, his way, and was the right man for the job at the time.

One has to wonder what Marse Robert could've done with the industrial superiority of the North. Sort of like those old what-ifs about "what if Rommel would've had all the men and materiel that Montgomery did at El Alamein?"

}:-)4


87 posted on 01/19/2006 2:27:15 PM PST by Moose4 ("I will shoulder my musket and brandish my sword/In defense of this land and the word of the Lord")
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To: Leatherneck_MT

or a Joshua L. Chamberlain


88 posted on 01/19/2006 2:27:59 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: PzLdr

As bad as it looked, Pickett's Charge was a sound military decision, based on the info Lee had. He had been repulsed on both flanks, and thought the enemy was weak at the center. If he had been correct, he would have split the Federal line. However, his info was faulty.


89 posted on 01/19/2006 2:28:46 PM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: robowombat

A GREAT battlefield commander. An underappreciated [in his time and since] general. A great patriot.


90 posted on 01/19/2006 2:28:52 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Clemenza

Ha! Not him (or you either, for that matter.) :)


91 posted on 01/19/2006 2:29:41 PM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: Clemenza

The ONLY Confederate state that furnished NO troops to the Union was South Carolina.


92 posted on 01/19/2006 2:30:29 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Flavius Josephus
Actually when Grant was tactically in charge of Union forces his casualties (except at Shiloh) were not disproportionate. When he came east he was in the role of the Union generalissimo and not in tactical command of any specific army. He kept his HQ with the main field army the Army of the Potomac. He could trust Sherman to run operations in the west without looking over his shoulder.
Grant was never willing to fight Meade over day to day decisions in the Army of the Potomac. Knowing what a porcupine Meade was it would have been a useless battle and Meade would have resigned before letting grant vet his op orders. So Grant compromised and endured the horrible level of staff work that was par in the Army of the Potomac as long as Meade followed orders and moved his army where Grant wanted it to go. The it was up to Meade's staff to fight the battle as they choose. This to often meant getting the extraordinarily brave men of that army massacred. Some times it was just the narrowness of the battlefield such as at Spotslylvania that meant no matter what there would be a lot of dead men at the end of the fight. However, as at Petersburg in the opening week of the siege sometimes it was just horrendous staff work and really dumb decision making. The one battle that can be held against Grant (IMHO) is Cold Harbor. He did badger Meade to bore in an attack the Confederates and Meade thought the field looked like a slaughter waiting to happen and was right.

Now what is this business about spitting on Grant? He really is the iconic figure for the US Army.
93 posted on 01/19/2006 2:31:04 PM PST by robowombat
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To: TexConfederate1861
I know that Nimitz's ancestors served in the Confederacy. The Hill Country in general, however, was either neutral or pro-Union, as was the case for most of the German immigrant communities at the time. Its no wonder that the historically German neighborhood in Chicago is referred to as Lincoln Square, due to the many German immigrants to the neighborhood who fought with the Union.

I know many pro-Union Germans were involved in skirmished with pro-confederate forces in Missouri.

The "ethnic" element to the Civil War is a fascinating area of exploration. The South had more Hispanics serving than the Union did (mostly Tejano volunteers), with Irish immigrants serving on both sides, despite the fact that many were anti-Lincoln due to the draft.

94 posted on 01/19/2006 2:31:34 PM PST by Clemenza
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To: PzLdr

Let's not kid ourselves though. There were a great many southern sympathizers in the North. Both sides fought valiantly, doing what they thought was best.


95 posted on 01/19/2006 2:32:26 PM PST by SC33
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To: PzLdr

moces=moves


96 posted on 01/19/2006 2:33:49 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: robowombat
Washington should have a national holiday all to himself.

"DIShonest abe", otoh, should have his name taken off President's Day.

imVho, lincoln deserves a national holiday about as much as wee willie klintoon does.

free dixie,sw

97 posted on 01/19/2006 2:34:04 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Clemenza

By my research, I found it to be neutral. Two of my ancestors were also from that area. The only county in that area to vote against secession was Comal County (New Braunfels) A lot of really good ex-Prussians fought for Robert E. Lee.


98 posted on 01/19/2006 2:35:18 PM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: stand watie

This will set off an uproar. I guarantee.


99 posted on 01/19/2006 2:36:33 PM PST by robowombat
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To: stand watie

That's just another one you lost. :)


100 posted on 01/19/2006 2:40:31 PM PST by linda_22003
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