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Homeowner shoots mountain lion in Orange County back yard
AP ^ | 1/17/06 | n/a

Posted on 01/18/2006 9:00:36 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

Homeowner shoots mountain lion in Orange County back yard

ASSOCIATED PRESS

1:44 p.m. January 17, 2006

RANCHO SANTA MARGARITA – A homeowner shot a mountain lion in the back yard of a Trabuco Canyon home Tuesday and authorities then tracked down the wounded cougar and killed it.

The mountain lion fled from the residence into a ravine near an elementary school where by sheriff's deputies and state Department of Fish and Game wardens had no choice but to shoot it, said Orange County Sheriff's Department spokesman Jim Amormino.

"A wounded cat is an extremely dangerous cat," Amormino said.

The incident will be investigated to determine whether the initial shooting was justified, he said.

Resident Laurie Hill said she saw the 90-pound mountain lion in the back yard of her Cimarron Lane home at about 7 a.m. and her husband went to investigate. The residential area is next to Cleveland National Forest, about 30 miles southeast of Santa Ana.

Bill Hill, a former Stanton police officer and now a private investigator, told TV reporters he shot twice with his 9 mm pistol.

"I grabbed my gun and as I looked back, I'm looking about 20 feet, 15 feet from this cat and it sees me, crouches down, bares its teeth," he said. "I don't hear any growling or anything and at that time it started to move and I just instinctively cranked off two rounds at it. The first one I know I hit it because ... the way it jumped."

The mountain lion then fled through a wrought iron fence, he said.

Sport hunting of mountain lions in California has been barred since 1972, initially through moratoriums and then when voters approved a ballot initiative in 1990 and rejected an attempt to overturn it in 1996. The state, however, does issue permits authorizing the killing of mountain lions that pose a risk to people and domestic animals.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; bang; banglist; caarmedcitizen; california; gun; guns; lion; mountainlion; selfdefense
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1 posted on 01/18/2006 9:00:39 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

Well, last night I shot an elephant in my pajamas...never mind.


2 posted on 01/18/2006 9:04:40 AM PST by appleharvey
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To: kiriath_jearim

"The incident will be investigated to determine whether the initial shooting was justified, he said."

OMG. I hope he has an atty already.


3 posted on 01/18/2006 9:05:09 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: kiriath_jearim
does issue permits authorizing the killing of mountain lions that pose a risk to people and domestic animals

So you have a mountain lion bearing down on you but you have no permit. Tell the lion to hold on while you run down to city hall?

4 posted on 01/18/2006 9:05:18 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: kiriath_jearim
The state, however, does issue permits authorizing the killing of mountain lions that pose a risk to people and domestic animals.

...once it's actually killed something first as proof.

5 posted on 01/18/2006 9:06:00 AM PST by tcostell
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To: kiriath_jearim
--more comments on this--

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1559762/posts

6 posted on 01/18/2006 9:06:53 AM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: tcostell

I think once a Mountain lion is in a heavily populated area and is in someone's back yard, it is a de-facto risk, and a high one, too.

Beautiful animals, but they are a predatory cat, and cats from house cats to tigers have many of the same characteristics, in the larger cats, fatal to humans.


7 posted on 01/18/2006 9:08:39 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Semper Paratus

A bureaucrat's universe.


8 posted on 01/18/2006 9:13:41 AM PST by kenth (Schrödinger's dog is both happy and sad.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Mountain Lions must be out of control in Kalifornicate...

Several months ago -- an adult Lion was killed two blocks from my home - which is fully residential and a half mile from the relative wilderness of the Santa Cruz mountains....

Lots of sightings of Lions moving through the yards and SCHOOL GROUNDS nearby..

In this area there have been a few very bad "incidents" involving Lions and hikers/runners/bikers...

Some of us go "armed" into the non Disneyland "wilderness"...


Semper Fi
9 posted on 01/18/2006 9:14:08 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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Sport hunting of mountain lions in California has been barred since 1972, initially through moratoriums and then when voters approved a ballot initiative in 1990 and rejected an attempt to overturn it in 1996. The state, however, does issue permits authorizing the killing of mountain lions that pose a risk to people and domestic animals.

Typical lazy reporting. This should read:

Bounties on mountain lions in California were discontinued in 1972. Hunting was outlawed in 1990 when voters approved a ballot intiative. A proposition to overturn this regulation did not pass in 1996. State employees of the Department of Fish and Game are allowed to issue depradation permits authorizing people to protect themselves and livestock from an expanding mountain lion population.

10 posted on 01/18/2006 9:14:36 AM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: appleharvey

Wow - how did an elephant get into your pajamas???


11 posted on 01/18/2006 9:14:56 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: kiriath_jearim

A 12 ga. shotgun would have been a better choice. A head shot at that range would have been the end of the cat. Even a mid-body shot would have killed it. The 9mm needs better shot placement.


12 posted on 01/18/2006 9:15:21 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: kiriath_jearim

"Bill Hill, a former Stanton police officer and now a private investigator, told TV reporters he shot twice with his 9 mm pistol."

He should have tried a .45


13 posted on 01/18/2006 9:18:32 AM PST by Winston_Churchill0
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To: kiriath_jearim
Inside of Trabuco Canyon itself is extremely expensive real estate even by Orange County standards. The canyon is controlled by old residents who allow no development. The land to either side of the canyon is densely populated. If you check real estate values you will find that Trabuco Canyon houses go for $2,000,000 and up. This is a place with boutique butcher shops and no supermarkets. These people have clout.
14 posted on 01/18/2006 9:22:43 AM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: tcostell

It's a mountain lion, it's killed lots of things or it wouldn't be alive. Now they must determine if it killed something they don't approve of. This is crazy, a mountain lion in your yard is a danger to anyone with half a brain.


15 posted on 01/18/2006 9:23:43 AM PST by pepperdog
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To: river rat

Most of the lions alive today have never been shot at...thus they have lost their fear of man to a certain degree. In our area, single males with no territory often are found wandering residential streets looking for pets to eat. Another example of why letting nature take it's course is not the best policy choice.


16 posted on 01/18/2006 9:24:10 AM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: tcostell

Like a Jogger with two children?


17 posted on 01/18/2006 9:25:39 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I would recommend he modify his wrought-iron fence. If the rails are wide enough for the cat to squeeze through, they're wide enough for a kid to squeeze through.


18 posted on 01/18/2006 9:28:17 AM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Iris7

My father in law and his wife live in Trabuco Canyon - and I went walking with them when we visited them a couple of weeks ago into the little farm area. Now I'm worried about them, his stepchildren, and their dog - that they leave outside while they are gone...


19 posted on 01/18/2006 9:29:17 AM PST by arizonarachel
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To: kiriath_jearim
AP Makes this statement:

"The incident will be investigated to determine whether the initial shooting was justified, he said."

Then they immediately follow it with this one:

"Resident Laurie Hill said she saw the 90-pound mountain lion in the back yard of her Cimarron Lane home at about 7 a.m"



What on earth is there to investigate?
20 posted on 01/18/2006 9:30:09 AM PST by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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