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1 posted on 01/18/2006 7:34:55 AM PST by NYer
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The culture of death rolls on.

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2 posted on 01/18/2006 7:35:43 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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Asian yutes in Britain are on the rampage. Pakistanis?.

Ohhhhhh. Euthanasia. That's different. Nevermind.

3 posted on 01/18/2006 7:37:14 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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Ray Allen , worn out ,half blind executed for killing 4 people. It took over 20 years to get rid of this POS , Oh, Thats horribl, but its ok to deny care "in the best interest of the patient.

A little hard to understand their logic.


5 posted on 01/18/2006 7:41:50 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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I don't believe the right to die movement is in any way about respecting the individual's choice. If it was they'd be pushing FIRST for allowing doctors to use heroin, cocaine or some other drug to alleviate suffering. Wouldn't most people choose being drugged and comfortable and at peace over death?

This is ONLY about getting rid of useless expensive people.

6 posted on 01/18/2006 7:42:22 AM PST by Lizavetta
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Good for 'em.

Doctors in this country have been doing it for years, too. I hope if I am suffering and have no chance for recovery that someone cares enough to slip me some extra morphine.

parsy, who don't want to linger in agony.


8 posted on 01/18/2006 7:44:07 AM PST by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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Look at the bright side, the legalization of assisted suicide will help eliminate liberals, even though the democrats will still have them voting from the grave.


9 posted on 01/18/2006 7:44:28 AM PST by MAD-AS-HELL (Put a mirror to the face of the republican party and all you'll see is a Donkey.)
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"...1,930 involved the doctor killing the patient without the patient's consent."

I call that murder.


10 posted on 01/18/2006 7:47:10 AM PST by socialismisinsidious (Liberals are all about choice UNTIL you choose differently than them.)
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I am suspicious of the statement that, "1,930 involved the doctor killing the patient without the patient's consent." What does that mean exactly? Does that include people who were brain dead or otherwise incapacitated and their family members authorized euthenasia? This article is obviously from one side of the issue and that statement seems worded in a very particular way.


11 posted on 01/18/2006 7:52:00 AM PST by h8in08
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--the doctor who put George V down a little early so the news would be in the London Times rather than the tabloids must have started something--
13 posted on 01/18/2006 7:59:03 AM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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Yeppers those progressive Euro weenies sure know how to make steer their cultures back to the future...


17 posted on 01/18/2006 8:32:24 AM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit our sister.. but we knew what to do.. we gathered rocks and squashed her!)
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I would understand if they were British dentists, but not doctors.


20 posted on 01/18/2006 9:48:06 AM PST by kaboom
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** A new survey finds British doctors used euthanasia to kill nearly 3,000 patients in 2004.**

Let's hope this doesn't find its way to other states in the U. S. Oregon is bad enough.

Is the Catholic Church standing alone on this?

The Catechism of the Catholic Church

enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

Euthanasia

2276 Those whose lives are diminished or weakened deserve special respect. Sick or handicapped persons should be helped to lead lives as normal as possible.

2277 Whatever its motives and means, direct euthanasia consists in putting an end to the lives of handicapped, sick, or dying persons. It is morally unacceptable.

Thus an act or omission which, of itself or by intention, causes death in order to eliminate suffering constitutes a murder gravely contrary to the dignity of the human person and to the respect due to the living God, his Creator. The error of judgment into which one can fall in good faith does not change the nature of this murderous act, which must always be forbidden and excluded.

2278 Discontinuing medical procedures that are burdensome, dangerous, extraordinary, or disproportionate to the expected outcome can be legitimate; it is the refusal of "over-zealous" treatment. Here one does not will to cause death; one's inability to impede it is merely accepted. The decisions should be made by the patient if he is competent and able or, if not, by those legally entitled to act for the patient, whose reasonable will and legitimate interests must always be respected.

2279 Even if death is thought imminent, the ordinary care owed to a sick person cannot be legitimately interrupted. The use of painkillers to alleviate the sufferings of the dying, even at the risk of shortening their days, can be morally in conformity with human dignity if death is not willed as either an end or a means, but only foreseen and tolerated as inevitable Palliative care is a special form of disinterested charity. As such it should be encouraged.


24 posted on 01/18/2006 1:45:17 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Churchill must be rolling over in his grave seeing that Hitler won the cultural war.


25 posted on 01/18/2006 1:48:55 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Conservative, a liberal that was mugged. Liberal, a conservative that was arrested.)
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Part of Britian's problem lie in their NHS ("free healthcare"). The government may not want to pay for deems a proceedure too costly, they will let the patient die. I've documented a couple of stories on my blog while I was o'er there.

http://purveyors-of-truth.blogspot.com/2004/08/reminder-from-britian-national.html

http://purveyors-of-truth.blogspot.com/2004/10/britians-national-healthcare-mess.html


27 posted on 01/18/2006 1:54:08 PM PST by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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1,930 involved the doctor killing the patient without the patient's consent.

Of the euthanasia deaths, one-third of them were the result of doctors treating the symptoms of a disease or injury and just under a third involved doctors withholding treatment in cases when it is supposedly in the best interest of the patient.


31 posted on 01/18/2006 11:47:04 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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'and 1,930 involved the doctor killing the patient without the patient's consent.'

Now THAT'S scary!


32 posted on 01/19/2006 6:46:05 AM PST by AmericanDave (More COWBELL....................)
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According to the Oct Dec 2005 issue of the American Enterprise:

"Realize that 31 percent of pediatricians in the Netherlands have uethanized an infant, and that a fifth of these took place without the knowledge or consent of the parents" pg 8.
34 posted on 01/19/2006 6:54:13 AM PST by AmericanDave (More COWBELL....................)
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