SUPREME COURT UPHOLDS OREGON'S SUICIDE LAW

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[SoFloFreeper]

BREAKING ON THE AP WIRE:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court has upheld Oregon's one-of-a-kind physician-assisted suicide law, rejecting a Bush administration attempt to punish doctors who help terminally ill patients die.

[Bushbacker]

that's not in the Constitution which states that our rights come from 'We The People'

____So the Declaration of Independence---a document which CREATED THE US--is irrelevant?

[bvw]

The modern and eternal bloom. One-way rights.

Grow up. "Rights" are also duties, that is they are part of a coin, an inseperable pair.

Your right to life is a duty to uphold that life and protect it.

Your right to liberty is a duty to protect that liberty and use it to good -- to godly -- ends.

Your right to "the pursuit of happiness" means not doping up to the gills or 24/7 porno, but rather the pursuit of that spiritual happiness by the uplifting enjoyment of wordly things applied to divine service. Only you, the individual *can* know to as full a depth as might be acheived for what purpose G-d has set your soul into your body and provided to you every moment of existance. That is the honest root of private property and liberty as a duty.

[LibertarianInExile]

"No state or nation has the right to kill innocent human beings, or the right to grant that authority either to an individual, a group, or a class of it's people."

So America sending the bombers over Germany in WWII knowing that some innocent human beings would die, was that morally illicit?

[bvw]

The Declaration is a Bill of Duties, by declaring the rights it implicitly yet directly carries the duty of acting to uphold those rights. And that those rights are said "endowed by their Cretaor" also implies a duty -- to utilize those rights to further the ends and goods of the Creator.

[bvw]

See my recent posts above.

[AuH2ORepublican]

"However that's not in the Constitution which states that our rights come from 'We The People'."

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Borges, are you really that clueless? The Constitution says that "We the People . . . establish this Constitution." Nowhere does it say that our rights come from We the People. You should also know that the original Constitution (adopted in 1787 and effective upon ratification of the 9th state in 1789) did not include the Bill of Rights, which rights were not adopted until 1791, and that such rights were DECLARATORY in nature; the Founders recognized that such rights came from God, not Man (read the Declaration of Independence sometime) and the first 8 amendments to the Constitution merely *declared* these rights without purporting to exclude other God-given rights (as made clear by the 9th Amendment).

[SJackson]

Not only do you have to be religious, you have to be Christian to be a real conservative. You'd better shape up

I think Gone was commenting on others, not stating his opinion. Unfortunately, he's right that that opinion exists.

[epow]

And Jesus had the right to be crucified, even though He foresaw it and could have avoided it.

Jesus is God. You and I aren't. He said, speaking of his life, "I have the authority to lay it down, and to take it up again, it was given to me by my Father".

You and I were not given that authority, seizing it illegitimately by committing suicide is murder by one's own hand.

[AZRepublican]

Good ruling....the US Constitution gives the feds zero jurisdidction in such matters. This is a no-brainer for a conservative justice.

[bvw]

Since obviously the Right to Life means one is FORCED to live, right?

Sometimes, sure. However a person can chose not to eat, can refuse meds or needed treatment if they are free, sane and communicative. If they are a prisoner, or insane, or incompetent, or child, or not communicative hey should be force fed. And the choice must be made at the current time -- not by some prior contract.

And a person can volunteer for a especially dangerous service -- Although not without dread warnings against doing so.

[Wormwood]

And the choice must be made at the current time -- not by some prior contract.

So if I'm put into a coma tomorrow, the Living Will/DNR request I signed yesterday should be invalidated?

[Canard]

"This is a no-brainer for a conservative justice."

Apparantly it isn't.

[conservative blonde]

I like Rush but he is wrong on this one. He probably is counting on Kennedy as a sometimes conservative vote. That would make Kennedy a swing vote not a conservative vote.

[Gondring]

People who really want to kill themselves, usually do it right the first time.

Citation, please.

[muawiyah]

Had nothing to do with this thread, per se, but with the category of the thread. We generally don't see any of you folks until there's a RTL issue and then you show up.

What that means is, of course, that you could be the very FIRST poster, and you'd still be doing a divebomb on an RTL thread.

Anyway, I was able to stop criticism from one of your guys (a Liberal) the other day by simply reminding him that for all of his insults directed my way, I still drove a Yugo.

Your response was too long and didn't do the job.

[epow]

So America sending the bombers over Germany in WWII knowing that some innocent human beings would die, was that morally illicit?

That's a difficult question and I'm not certain of the answer, but I have a strong tendency to believe it was morally permissible. Nations, like men, are given the right to defend themselves against an enemy. If it was necessary to kill innocent German civilians in order to weaken Germany's ability to continue the war and thereby prevent our own nation, or other nations which were attacked without provocation, being destroyed by German aggression, then IMHO it was not immoral.

OTOH, if we killed innocent Germans simply out of revenge for Germany's atrocities against humanity or out of hatred for all things German and not solely as a means of ending the war, as the case of bombing Dresden at the war's very end appears to have been, then I think it was immoral and inexcusable.

[muawiyah]

Actually, doctors, if you can call them that, who make it their business to kill their patients, should be imprisoned.

[Lurker]

My life belongs to me, not some invisible man in the sky.

L

[muawiyah]

Hey, Toki was put to death as the consequence of an established "due process of law". This other stuff where doctors are allowed to kill without penalty is pretty much outside "due process of law". It's more like a "contract", and if you apply those standards to the situation you'd quickly see where you (and the state of Oregon) have gone wrong.

Anyway, why are you in here defending Toki?

[BunnySlippers]

30 years at the post office! Bwahahaha ... you're killiing me. :-D
Regardless, you've got a nasty chip on your shoulder. Seek help.