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The Religion of Science (Evolution as Faith!)
CHJ ^ | Jan 14, 2006 | Nathan Tabor

Posted on 01/13/2006 8:24:51 PM PST by WatchYourself

How can someone observe, study or experiment on evolution? Evolution is the process of something moving from one stage of development to another. What do we really have to scientifically prove evolution?

A scientist might have a fossil, but we can only speculate as to the age and appearance of the animal creating that fossil. No one has ever witnessed evolution of life, no one here now was there to observe, study and experiment. Like it or not, we can only form theories and beliefs about what might have been. As sound as these theories might be, they are and will always be theories. Evolution is simply a system of belief based on what we think might have happened. Those who believe in evolution have faith in the scientist’s abilities to speculate and imagine what might have been. This is not science. This is faith.

It is time we removed the phony and inaccurate label of ‘science’ from evolution and see it for what it really is - a religion, based on faith and a system of belief. If public schools are not allowed to teach religion, then the theories of evolution have no place in a public school classroom. If they are allowed to teach theories based on faith, like evolution, then creationism should be taught also.

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To: Mulch
An evolution of an animal from one species to another species (e.g. turtle to bird)

If you are going to play science, you need to use the terminology precisely

It's

An evolution of an animal from one kind to another kind (e.g. turtle to bird)
Transition of species
is observed.

"But they're both still lizards" < /Creationist rejoinder>

41 posted on 01/13/2006 9:28:02 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("What is the sense in 'atin' those 'oom you are paid to kill?" - Kipling)
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To: Coyoteman
I don't put evolution in the same realm of science as any of the others you listed, except possibly Astronomy(In the sense that they make wild assumptions also)Don't get me wrong, alot of Astronomy is correct, but some of the detailed things they think is true can not be verified since they are so far away.
With evolution its the time not the space that is so far away.
43 posted on 01/13/2006 9:28:52 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Kuiper

Amen


44 posted on 01/13/2006 9:29:31 PM PST by uptoolate
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To: Kuiper
disprove that God exists

Descartes did the six ontological proofs for and against the existence of God.
45 posted on 01/13/2006 9:29:41 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: WatchYourself
No one has ever witnessed evolution of life...

The author immediately commits the first error: Lie about science and evolution. This is the typical style of argument creationists/ID proponents use. Often called the "straw man" approach, they create and state falsehoods about evolution, and then procede to attack those falsehoods as if by doing so they are rendering mortal blows to their enemy: Scientific Inquiry.

It's a choice, folks: Blind Faith uber alles, or native curiosity and scientific inquiry.

46 posted on 01/13/2006 9:31:43 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Mulch
So do all the environmental stimuli effect each biological system identically? and What are the various environmental stimuli that would cause mutations? I know climate or availability of food, predators, are a few. What are the others and which are the most critical ones?

Mutations are most likely caused by factors other than what you have mentioned. I do bones, not genetics. The genetics folks can fill you in better on the actual causes than I can.

Selection does include the factors you mentioned. Lack of food probably favors the smaller bodies, while predators favor speed, climbing ability, tool use, and a variety of other abilities (not all in the same critter).

Climate also favors certain traits; dark skin is better suited to the tropics, light skin to northern latitudes. But don't forget vitamin D production, which has to balance the skin color.

Hope this helps.

47 posted on 01/13/2006 9:32:40 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: WatchYourself

later read/maybe ping.


49 posted on 01/13/2006 9:36:13 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Oztrich Boy
I'm not sure I understand what the distinction between "species" and "kind" is?
50 posted on 01/13/2006 9:36:16 PM PST by Mulch (tm)
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To: calex59
They are both wrong and I await the correct hypothesis of how life got here and how it changed over the millions of years the earth has been here, until then both christians and evos can suck an egg as far as I am concerned.

Well it is evident that your observation and ideas did not arrive from ID and most probably will never evolute into any congruent thought.
51 posted on 01/13/2006 9:38:30 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: Rudder

Where did the first sign of life come from? The first single cell organism? What did it evolve from? Life just started from nothing?


52 posted on 01/13/2006 9:40:19 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: white horseman
By the way, how do you explain australopithecus, homo habilis, homo erectus and then the succession to homo sapien to homo sapien sapien?

The ID was just was just perfecting his work plus he got a new batch of play dough every 10,000 years.
54 posted on 01/13/2006 9:43:05 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: Kuiper
So on Noah's Ark there were kinds, and in the post-flood world they microevolved through natural selection

Can you supply evidence for ark and flood?

Not belief, but evidence? Any evidence that will stand up to scientific scrutiny?

55 posted on 01/13/2006 9:44:57 PM PST by onewhowatches (Real Soon Now)
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To: jec41
Well it is evident that your observation and ideas did not arrive from ID and most probably will never evolute into any congruent thought.

My thoughts have already "formed"(not evolved)into congruent thought, you fail to see it because you disagree with my thoughts. Evos and IDers alike are religionists and their theories are just that:Theories. An invisible force is and invisible force, whether it is God or Evolution, therefore is subject to the same hypothesis: They are both false because they lack evidence.

57 posted on 01/13/2006 9:46:41 PM PST by calex59
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To: Coyoteman; Mulch
So do all the environmental stimuli effect each biological system identically? and What are the various environmental stimuli that would cause mutations? I know climate or availability of food, predators, are a few. What are the others and which are the most critical ones?

The environmental conditions interact with species' abilities.

Temperature, for example, is critical to infectious bacteria, but not so much to the mammalian host.
Hydration is critical to mammals, but not so much to desert-dwelling reptiles
Cosmic waves are deleterious to mitotic cellular division, but not so much to extant cells.
External salinity is critical to a shark, but not so much to a water buffalo.

Etc. Obviously the list of putative environmental stressors is long and depends upon "vulnerability" of a given species.

58 posted on 01/13/2006 9:47:19 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Echo Talon
Where did the first sign of life come from? The first single cell organism? What did it evolve from? Life just started from nothing?

Although your questions have nothing to do with the theory of evolution they do merit an answer.

I don't know.

60 posted on 01/13/2006 9:50:05 PM PST by Rudder
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