The Religion of Science (Evolution as Faith!)

CHJ ^ | Jan 14, 2006 | Nathan Tabor

[WatchYourself]

How can someone observe, study or experiment on evolution? Evolution is the process of something moving from one stage of development to another. What do we really have to scientifically prove evolution?

A scientist might have a fossil, but we can only speculate as to the age and appearance of the animal creating that fossil. No one has ever witnessed evolution of life, no one here now was there to observe, study and experiment. Like it or not, we can only form theories and beliefs about what might have been. As sound as these theories might be, they are and will always be theories. Evolution is simply a system of belief based on what we think might have happened. Those who believe in evolution have faith in the scientist’s abilities to speculate and imagine what might have been. This is not science. This is faith.

It is time we removed the phony and inaccurate label of ‘science’ from evolution and see it for what it really is - a religion, based on faith and a system of belief. If public schools are not allowed to teach religion, then the theories of evolution have no place in a public school classroom. If they are allowed to teach theories based on faith, like evolution, then creationism should be taught also.

[shuckmaster]

There are two gods, one is the giver of life and the other is the god of knowledge.

What kind of bizarre religion are you trying to push on us now?

[jec41]

The guy who wrote this is willfully ignorant. And, that is the worst kind of ignorant.

Agreeded.

[calex59]

Oh, yeah, so we can go find all the species that lead up to the present day species? Today's species may or may not be transitional, this is yet to be proven and just is just wishful thinking on your part and a smoke screen trying to cover up the real issue. There are NO transitional FOSSILS. None, nada, zip, zilch, zero. There are fossils that have been foisted off as transitional but they are always found not to be.

There have been many, many fake fossils, including the latest dino to bird fossil out of china that was a composite of 18 different species, of course evos jumped right on that and claimed proof, until the fake was exposed.

I will not bother listing all the fakes and trickery used through out the history of Darwinism that have been used to try to "prove" evolution.

As I said, evolution and christianity are both religions and require faith. Both use a degree of trickery to accomplish belief in their religion but evos are by far the biggest fakes of the two. Most Christians just rely on faith, evos fake evidence, constantly. Have a nice day!:)

[CarolinaGuitarman]

" What kind of bizarre religion are you trying to push on us now?"

I believe she is trying to say there is the true God (giver of life) and the false *God* of knowledge. The latter would be considered a human vanity and presumption. That's my guess anyway.

[bobdsmith]

You have no idea what you're talking about. There are 15 billion brain cells in the human brain, all with specific connections to hundreds or thousands of other brain cells. (If they're not connected correctly you can end up with a disfunctional schirzophrenic person.) I'll esimate very low and say that it takes 1 kb of data to store the correct connections for each cell.

You assume it isn't just copied. Look up fractals. A whole complex tree with millions of branches and nodes in complex configurations can be generated iteratively using a few simple rules. You don't need to store the precise location and connections of EVERY single neuron. And clearly this isn't the case.

[ChessExpert]

Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life contains a chapter (chapter ten) titled “On the Imperfection of the Geological Record.” It's 26 pages long in the Heritage edition that I have. It reads to me like a weak defense due to a lack of evidence.

As for Gould, I thought Punctuated Equilibrium was a way around the lack of fossil evidence.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"There are NO transitional FOSSILS. None, nada, zip, zilch, zero. There are fossils that have been foisted off as transitional but they are always found not to be."

Every fossil is a transitional. Only to creationists are they not transitional.

"There have been many, many fake fossils, including the latest dino to bird fossil out of china that was a composite of 18 different species, of course evos jumped right on that and claimed proof, until the fake was exposed."

Archaeorapter? That was NEVER accepted by science. And where do you get the *18 different species* number from? That and Piltdown Man are the only fakes I am aware of.

"I will not bother listing all the fakes and trickery used through out the history of Darwinism that have been used to try to "prove" evolution."

It would have been a very very short list.

"As I said, evolution and christianity are both religions and require faith. Both use a degree of trickery to accomplish belief in their religion but evos are by far the biggest fakes of the two."

Anti-evo AND anti-christian. You won't have too many friends here.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

If you had actually read that chapter of "The Origin Of Species", you would know that Darwin did not think that the fossil record was a problem.

" As for Gould, I thought Punctuated Equilibrium was a way around the lack of fossil evidence."

You were misinformed.

[shuckmaster]

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[ChessExpert]

I read the chapter.

Your tone of certainty is bizarre.

[defenderSD]

Careful here; you're starting to wave your hands and make assumptions that the brain cells just "know" which other brain cells to connect to during development. If some of these connections are incorrect you can end up with a schizophrenic. This is the kind of hand waving and the glib construction of major assumptions that scientists utilize to support the TOE. You're starting to assume embedded design information into brain cells with no mechanism for how this information is stored and utilized by the cells.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"I read the chapter.

Your tone of certainty is bizarre."

I have actually read and understood the chapter, and I understand Gould's position on the fossil record. You don't.

[defenderSD]

Forgot to mention that was a reply to post #263.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

Going out for a while Placemarker.

[defenderSD]

"A whole complex tree with millions of branches and nodes in complex configurations can be generated iteratively using a few simple rules."

Now that is some major hand waving. You're going to have to get much more specific and detailed to generate a convincing argument. How does this work specifically inside the brain of a large animal?

[shuckmaster]

There are NO transitional FOSSILS. None, nada, zip, zilch, zero.

Ha Ha Ha! You're a funny one! Dumb as a fossil rock but real funny! lol...

[RightWhale]

Ptolemy gets a bad rap, but he was fairly accomplished in science. He knew the earth is round, which a lot of heavy thinkers after him did not. His reductions of astronomical data were good and sufficed for many centuries. Way ahead of his times.

[shuckmaster]

If you noticed, he started by saying that no transitional species existed and after being called on it he changed the terminology to transitional fossils. All existing species are transitional and I've been corrected here before with the thought that the only fossils that are not transitional are the ones that were extinct at the moment the fossilized creature died.

[bobdsmith]

Now that is some major hand waving. You're going to have to get much more specific and detailed to generate a convincing argument. How does this work specifically inside the brain of a large animal?

I don't have to know how it specifically works, I just have to point out that your assumption that every single neuron's properties must be stored seperately is flawed.

The growth of organisms is iterative - that is why so many shells and plant leaves in nature have fractal designs. The precise position of each cell in the organism is not stored as in some array of coordinates - instead each cell follows a set of rules according to it's type. You only need one copy of the rules somewhere. Ie all neurons, like other cells in the body, are using the same set of rules.

For example take this tree:

It wasn't generated by storing the precise coordinates and length of every single branch. Instead there is a small algorithm which each branch uses to grow sub-branches. Those simple rules are all that are needed and can be stored in a few hundred bytes. A non-random tree containing trillions of branches can be stored in just 100 bytes.

[Right Wing Professor]

This is the kind of hand waving and the glib construction of major assumptions that scientists utilize to support the TOE. You're starting to assume embedded design information into brain cells with no mechanism for how this information is stored and utilized by the cells

It's got nothing to do with evolution. It's develomental neurophysiology, and there's a mountain of experimental evidence for it.

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