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Coming Soon: 'Polyamorist Rights'? (Bigamy, Polygamy, etc.)
Agape Press ^ | 1/9/06 | AFA Journal

Posted on 01/09/2006 3:06:22 PM PST by wagglebee

(AgapePress) - It may only be in its beginning stages, but the "polyamorist movement" may be grabbing onto the coat tails of the increasingly effective homosexual movement.

"Polyamorists" are individuals who maintain more than one emotional-sexual relationship simultaneously, believing that monogamy is unnatural. Relationships can be heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual.

Paul Harris, a New York reporter for The Observer, a London, England, newspaper, writes in words that sound strangely similar to those used to describe the homosexual movement.

He said "polyamorists are coming out of the closets across America. Several groups have sprung up. In New York, Polyamorous NYC holds monthly meetings, has an e-mail list of about 800 and holds a Poly Pride Day each year in Central Park.

"A documentary, Three of Hearts: A Postmodern Family, has opened at cinemas in the city, chronicling a 13-year relationship between three people living together in a relationship that produced two children."

"Most people in the poly community are very closeted," Justen Bennett-MacCubbin, founder of Polyamorous NYC, told The Observer. "The community is where gays and lesbians were in the '60s."

"We want a change in perception of what's possible. By and large, people are not naturally monogamous, and we should be able to talk about it without prejudice," Bennett-MacCubbin said.

Perceptions seem to have definitely changed in The Netherlands. In a nation that is arguably the most accepting of homosexuality in the world, the first polygamous civil union was recorded this fall, when a man and two women had their relationship legally recognized.

"I love both Bianca and Mirjam, so I am marrying them both," Victor de Bruijn proudly declared in September.


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Just so I hope people understand what "polyamory" is...it's not as simple as polygamy.

Polyamory is more comparable to an orgy where all the participants are married to everyone.

A guy might have two wives, but those wives might be doing each other as well. Or it could be a woman with multiple partners. There really is no limit or boundaries on this.

61 posted on 01/09/2006 7:42:08 PM PST by TNdandelion
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To: SF Republican

"I love my wife dearly, but why in the world would anyone want two?"

ROFL


62 posted on 01/09/2006 8:09:24 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: gondramB
I've never really understood the argument against allowing a man to have more than one wife.

"No man can serve two masters"...

63 posted on 01/09/2006 9:47:35 PM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: Alex Murphy; wagglebee
//believing that monogamy is unnatural//

Interesting, that idea is advanced by the homosexual agenda and latched onto by atheistic proponents of evolution.

Kind of ties all together don't it?

Wolf
64 posted on 01/09/2006 9:52:21 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: Zack Nguyen

[As I consider the Old Testament every bit the revelation of the New Testament, I looked up the reference to Rachel and Leah. Nowhere does God order polygamy, in fact Jacob's marriage to two women came about through the deception of Rachel and Leah's father. So I think that the fellow's point is just off.]

I don't think too far off. Jesus seems to have clearly said that a man must marry only ONE woman (someone please name the passage).

But the Old Testament, while not saying that Jacob was ordered to marry two women, did show that many high status males were blessed by God and also allowed to have, in some cases, hundreds of wives and even concubines.

David was criticized for taking the extra step and having a good man killed so he could take the man's wife although he already had 300+. And then David was *still* blessed.

The Old Testament was wild. You'd think there would be even more Hollywood movies about it.

I have no problem with Paulists and New Testamenters who say that Jesus and Paul overwrote the Old Testament social mores. It sounded like they needed to be changed. In the evangelical movement today in America, Paul seems to be the most important influence. Many on FR feel that Paul's writings should have been put only in the Apochrypha.


65 posted on 01/10/2006 12:27:46 AM PST by GermanBusiness
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To: wagglebee; Coleus; NYer; narses; little jeremiah; DirtyHarryY2K; scripter

This is not about giving these people 'rights'-----it's about undermining and destroying our Western Christian-Judeo based civilization. Destroying the traditional family is of paramount importance to the evolutionary humanists scheme for taking control. They did these very things in the former Soviet Union and very nearly destroyed the culture---and Russia is, to this day, a dying civilization.


66 posted on 01/10/2006 2:54:24 AM PST by Lindykim (Courage is the first of all the virtues...if you haven*t courage, you may not have the opportunity)
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To: rbg81
Women have about a 15 year shelf life, approx 18-33. After that, their chances of getting married go down drastically.

Tied directly to safe child bearing years. The primary purpose for marriage is to provide a safe place to raise kids. Without kids, especially in today's environment, it doesn't make sense for most men to marry at all.

67 posted on 01/10/2006 6:22:22 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: BlazingArizona

Me: I've never really understood the argument against allowing a man to have more than one wife.

Blazing: "No man can serve two masters"...

Ok, that was funny. :)


68 posted on 01/10/2006 6:43:25 AM PST by gondramB (Democracy: two wolves and a lamb voting on lunch. Liberty: a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: wagglebee; EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; ...
Homosexual Agenda ping. Some of you have already read this article...

HA Search

69 posted on 01/10/2006 6:46:58 AM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: gondramB
I've never really understood the argument against allowing a man to have more than one wife.

You don't see anything wrong with a society in which high-status men accumulate wives and sire children who barely know their fathers, while lower-status men are good only for cannon fodder?

70 posted on 01/10/2006 6:48:27 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Campion
"You don't see anything wrong with a society in which high-status men accumulate wives and sire children who barely know their fathers, while lower-status men are good only for cannon fodder?"


It sounds like you just used the wealth redistribution argument on me - that if we allow free competition then some men will do better than others.

Overlooking the fact that the man with three wives isn't necessarily the winner, I would argue that competition is good.
71 posted on 01/10/2006 6:53:50 AM PST by gondramB (Democracy: two wolves and a lamb voting on lunch. Liberty: a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: GermanBusiness
blessed by God and also allowed to have, in some cases, hundreds of wives and even concubines.

God allows all sorts of things of which he doesn't necessarily approve. Christians can be adulterers, fornicators, angry people, liars, etc. The forgiveness of Christ covers them all, but God is not pleased with that sort of behavior. Recall that Solomon was led astray from God by his many foreign wives, and debauched himself and embraced foreign gods. (1 Kings 11, Book of Ecclesiastes.)

The New Testament didn't erase the old order in the sense that the OT was somehow wrong or evil and God decided to give something else a try. That is not the case at all. Christ fulfilled the laws of the OT, and changed the covenant. From now on faith in Christ, and not adherence to the law, determines salvation.

72 posted on 01/10/2006 7:07:20 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: wagglebee

Don't foget these folks http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1552400/posts


73 posted on 01/10/2006 7:18:27 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: gondramB
if we allow free competition then some men will do better than others

This isn't economics, and there's already competition without revoking the "one wife to a customer" rule.

Large numbers of unattached young men with no hope of finding a wife are very dangerous to society. You ought to be able to see that without it being explained to you. Not to mention your "competition" results in lives being ruined -- not only the men who can't find wives, but the wives who have to share husbands, and the children who don't know their dads.

Investigate Mormon fundamentalist communities if you don't see what I'm talking about, where teenage boys are bodily thrown out of town to fend for themselves so the older, powerful men won't face competition for the young girls. That's your "competition" in action.

Finding more ways and excuses for people to act like animals isn't where we need to be going as a culture, unless you want to end up living like an animal.

74 posted on 01/10/2006 7:25:26 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: antiRepublicrat
the natural state of things in the animal kingdom, and through most of human history, is one male with several women But the male is not very important in those "family" groups. His sole usefulness is the only reason they want him at all.
75 posted on 01/10/2006 7:51:08 AM PST by fml
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To: wagglebee

The worst form of polygamy is already practiced by most men in the US.

They marry one wife, have kids, and then destroy that relationship and traumatize the kids in order to have a second, or third, or fourth wife.

The only thing worse than ployamory, or polygamy, is the serial monogamy we have today.

There is no doubt "polygamy" is already preferred and practiced by most men in America today. Only now the laws require we destroy our families one at a time, instead of maintaining loving and supportive relationships.


The number of wives a man has should be determined by his religion, not by a government official.


76 posted on 01/10/2006 12:08:09 PM PST by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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To: wagglebee

Weekly Standard had an article about this.

Thank the Unitarian Universalists.


77 posted on 01/10/2006 12:09:39 PM PST by eyespysomething (This space intentionally left blank......oh crud)
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To: wagglebee

ooooer... imagine the economics of it. 2 people could work full time and one could stay home with the kids.


78 posted on 01/10/2006 12:20:15 PM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: eyespysomething
While God, in the Bible, defines specifically a multitude of sexual sins such as adultery, homosexuality etc...God has never specifically condemned polygamy.

Many important characters in the Bible had multiple wives and were not considered sinful in the eyes of God, in fact, they were heroic figures like Abraham.

Jesus' only referral to this issue is when he states "a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh" -- Matthew 19:5

What Jesus said was an almost verbatim repetition of Genesis 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."

Yet, even though this was stated early in Genesis, polygamy was clearly accepted throughout the later years in the rest of the Old Testament. Jesus never spoke against polygamy. The phrase "shall be one flesh" has been considered a euphemism for physical unification, intercourse.

79 posted on 01/10/2006 12:31:22 PM PST by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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To: gondramB

Where was this


80 posted on 01/10/2006 1:14:14 PM PST by roylene
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