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Mormon missionary shot and killed in Chesapeake, Virginia
The Virginian Pilot ^ | 1/2/2005 | Jim Washington

Posted on 01/02/2006 7:39:23 PM PST by gregwest

CHESAPEAKE - A 21-year-old Mormon missionary died Monday night after he and his partner were shot while going door-to-door in the Deep Creek area.

The other missionary, age 19, was in serious condition at Sentara Norfolk General Hospital Monday night, Chesapeake police said.

Police did not release the victims’ identities.

According to police the two missionaries were walking in the 2600 block of Elkhart Street off George Washington Highway about 6 p.m. when they were approached by another man. The man shot them both and fled on foot.

One of the victims ran to The Charity House, a nearby nursing home, to seek help.

Police described the suspect as a black male, about 5’10’’ wearing a black hooded sweatshirt and jeans. He was last seen heading toward Janice Lynn Court, which backs up to Elkhart.

The two missionaries had bicycles, but were not riding them at the time.

A group from the Mormon church, known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, waited in the consultation room at the Norfolk General emergency room Monday night. They declined to comment.

According to the church’s official web site there are more than 60,000 Mormon missionaries, mostly young men and women who volunteer to spread the church’s message for one and a half to two years all over the world, at their own expense.

There are apartment buildings at the end of Elkhart Street, and some residents could not leave or return to their homes for a time Monday night.

Police, working in a moderate rain, had the street blocked off a short way off George Washington Highway.

“This is close to home,’’ said resident Bobby Gatling. He has lived on the block for two years. “Nothing like this has ever happened here before.’’

Anyone with information about this incident is asked to call the Crime Line at 1-888-LOCK-U-UP.

Reach Jim Washington at (757) 446-2536 or jim.washington@pilot online.com.


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To: Adam-ondi-Ahman
We live in a free country. And you can worship in whatever manner you wish. And wear whatever special underwear you think will keep you safe. Your choice.
But I would hope that in defending your traditions you would list relevant scripture. We are not required to do the animal sacrifice etc etc.. because of Jesus dying on the cross. You keep bringing up old testament scripture that pertained to the way Jews worshiped God in the Old Testament. As for needing modern revelation thats just poppycock.
241 posted on 01/03/2006 4:28:38 PM PST by JRochelle
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To: Californiajones
Your soliloquy on comparing Micah and Alma (! scary!) falls apart immediately because those old Testament prophets were stoned, honey, for speaking the word of God.

In Carthage, they used bullets to kill a prophet.

242 posted on 01/03/2006 4:32:38 PM PST by frgoff
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To: Adam-ondi-Ahman
Words we claim come from God Himself:

3 And because my words shall hiss forth—many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.

4 But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles?

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6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?

7 Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?

8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also.

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10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.


Has it never struck you as odd ... that this, supposedly, ... was written before there was a Bible ?

Does it not strike you that it would make perfect sense for Joseph Smith to author this ... if he were trying to pass off another set of writings ... as equal/greater than the Bible ...

... and that it doesn't make as much sense ... for someone who had never seen or heard of a Bible ... to write this ?

243 posted on 01/03/2006 4:34:08 PM PST by Quester (If you can't trust Jesus, ... who can you trust ?)
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To: Californiajones

Yes, and we have no record of any man adding to the book of Revelation since its SELECTION for the Holy Bible, especially the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and you well know it. Perhaps you should read your scriptures. They are written in pretty plain English and it is clear context that those words were included in the Book of Revelations for that Book alone.

As to the rest of your balderdash - well it speaks for itself and when you twist the plain Word of God the way you do, watch out.


244 posted on 01/03/2006 4:34:31 PM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Quester
...in that we are creations of God.

Romans 8:
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Yes, Jesus is the only begotton Son, in the flesh.
245 posted on 01/03/2006 4:37:01 PM PST by Adam-ondi-Ahman
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To: Californiajones
What sects require Baptism when Jesus Himself said to the (unbaptized) thief on the cross "Today you shall be with me in paradise"?

Who said the thief on the cross was unbaptized? Do you have a version of the Bible no one else does?

BTW, baptists require it, thus the name of the denomination.

A sinner's prayer is not a "work".

It's something you have to do, therefore, it is a work. Simply saying it isn't doesn't mean anything.

Doing what God tells you to do is a "work" but salvation does not rest upon it.

That's called cheap grace, and just about every Protestant preacher out there condemns it as a false and heretical teaching.

246 posted on 01/03/2006 4:38:36 PM PST by frgoff
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To: Quester
... and that it doesn't make as much sense ... for someone who had never seen or heard of a Bible ... to write this ?

The prophets of old were given visions of our time, so they knew of the Bible in our days. The point is the logic in those passages makes sense. God loves all his children, and reveals truths to them from time to time, not just the Jews.
247 posted on 01/03/2006 4:40:58 PM PST by Adam-ondi-Ahman
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

No. They are needed there as much as anywhere.


248 posted on 01/03/2006 4:41:00 PM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Adam-ondi-Ahman
What have you found contrary to this when you read the Book of Mormon?

Nothing. This person's big gripe is that Mormonism doesn't follow his or her idea of what "true" Christianity is, as defined by his or herself (talk about taking authority unto yourself). I'm guessing this person also loves to lay into Catholics. It's time to exercise a little self-discipline and disengage from the conversation. The heart is hard as flint with pride, and the mind closed tighter than a steel trap.

249 posted on 01/03/2006 4:48:33 PM PST by frgoff
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To: gregwest

My prayers are with the families of both young men.


250 posted on 01/03/2006 4:49:51 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Had to scroll up to find a post that wasn't in the trenches about religion. Just wanted to mention that the attack seems to be like terrorist attacks.


251 posted on 01/03/2006 4:52:38 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: Palladin

Well, my son had a black, Mormon for a football coach when he was in grade school. The family came from Mass.


252 posted on 01/03/2006 4:57:00 PM PST by Eva
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To: frgoff
I guess I didn't understand, frgoff. I was going on my own experience, where I hold off judgement of information until I can apply the true test: asking God and geting a thumbs up or down from the Holy Ghost.

I'm very interested in eschatology, and I read texts from Catholics, the many flavors of Protestantism, Native Americans, even Muslims, searching for the truth. Joseph Smith said we don't have a monopoly on the truth, and that we should seek it out everywhere.
253 posted on 01/03/2006 4:57:01 PM PST by Adam-ondi-Ahman
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To: frgoff
Wearing holy undergarments, I guess, is a work, too.

I think if God wanted us to baptism to be the requirement for salvation, He in His wisdom would have made it clear that the thief on the cross was indeed baptized.

BTW, I've heard Baptists do not consider it to be important to salvation, only as free will proof in front of living witnesses that your life has been changed from sin to salvation by Jesus.

Well, grace is grace. If you disdain it or hold it cheap, so will God.
254 posted on 01/03/2006 5:04:57 PM PST by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: RightWhale

I know how it is...some topics turn FR posters into thread hijackers.


255 posted on 01/03/2006 5:09:45 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Californiajones
No baptism required?

Matt. 28: 19
19 ¶ Go ye therefore, and teach all bnations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
256 posted on 01/03/2006 5:12:11 PM PST by Adam-ondi-Ahman
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To: Old Mountain man
Hey Old M Man

This California gal is NOT twisting the word.

Sorry, I have too much respect for the Lord to do that.

I just thought everyone in this day and age of the Internet and everything, knew that Mormonism is a cult. It is so obvious and sad and easy to dispute.

But the saddest thing of all is that I think Joseph Smith was really deceived by a Demon.

Yep. A Demon disguised as an angel of Light. And he was so caught up in all that Masonry and desirous of having more than one wife or whatever, that the lure of "being a god" as Satan promised Eve in the Garden -- was just too much for him. That's what I really think.

Because that's what Paul said would happen. And John. And Jesus. We are to be on guard against false teachers with a different gospel (i.e. baptizing for the dead, Jesus was Satan's brother, etc., etc) and a different Jesus.

So, why do you need the book of Mormon? Isn't the Bible enough? Could you be a good Christian if you just threw out the Book of Mormon?

I wonder. Truly.
257 posted on 01/03/2006 5:13:55 PM PST by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Adam-ondi-Ahman
We share a commonality with Lucifer/Satan (and all of the other angels) ... in that we are creations of God.
Romans 8: 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
These verses speak of Christians (i.e. believers).

Are you saying that Christians and Satan share a brotherhood ?

Yes, Jesus is the only begotton Son, in the flesh.

So ... is Satan ... of the flesh ?

258 posted on 01/03/2006 5:14:03 PM PST by Quester (If you can't trust Jesus, ... who can you trust ?)
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To: Adam-ondi-Ahman
Wait a minute. You guys wear those 19th century linen underthings because of what it says in the Old Testament, i.e. under the old covenant about how to approach the Holiest of Holies?

Why would you do that?
259 posted on 01/03/2006 5:16:02 PM PST by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Adam-ondi-Ahman
I'm very interested in eschatology, and I read texts from Catholics, the many flavors of Protestantism, Native Americans, even Muslims, searching for the truth. Joseph Smith said we don't have a monopoly on the truth, and that we should seek it out everywhere.

Joseph Smith said that ... he couldn't find the truth in any of the denominations of his time ... that they all taught abomination ... and so God called him to restore His truth.

Did Joseph have a change of heart ?

260 posted on 01/03/2006 5:19:27 PM PST by Quester (If you can't trust Jesus, ... who can you trust ?)
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