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Prove Christ exists, judge orders priest
Times Online UK ^ | January 3, 2006 | Richard Owen

Posted on 01/02/2006 4:30:26 PM PST by InvisibleChurch

AN ITALIAN judge has ordered a priest to appear in court this month to prove that Jesus Christ existed.

The case against Father Enrico Righi has been brought in the town of Viterbo, north of Rome, by Luigi Cascioli, a retired agronomist who once studied for the priesthood but later became a militant atheist.

Signor Cascioli, author of a book called The Fable of Christ, began legal proceedings against Father Righi three years ago after the priest denounced Signor Cascioli in the parish newsletter for questioning Christ’s historical existence.

Yesterday Gaetano Mautone, a judge in Viterbo, set a preliminary hearing for the end of this month and ordered Father Righi to appear. The judge had earlier refused to take up the case, but was overruled last month by the Court of Appeal, which agreed that Signor Cascioli had a reasonable case for his accusation that Father Righi was “abusing popular credulity”.

Signor Cascioli’s contention — echoed in numerous atheist books and internet sites — is that there was no reliable evidence that Jesus lived and died in 1st-century Palestine apart from the Gospel accounts, which Christians took on faith. There is therefore no basis for Christianity, he claims.

Signor Cascioli’s one-man campaign came to a head at a court hearing last April when he lodged his accusations of “abuse of popular credulity” and “impersonation”, both offences under the Italian penal code. He argued that all claims for the existence of Jesus from sources other than the Bible stem from authors who lived “after the time of the hypothetical Jesus” and were therefore not reliable witnesses.

Signor Cascioli maintains that early Christian writers confused Jesus with John of Gamala, an anti-Roman Jewish insurgent in 1st-century Palestine. Church authorities were therefore guilty of “substitution of persons”.

The Roman historians Tacitus and Suetonius mention a “Christus” or “Chrestus”, but were writing “well after the life of the purported Jesus” and were relying on hearsay.

Father Righi said there was overwhelming testimony to Christ’s existence in religious and secular texts. Millions had in any case believed in Christ as both man and Son of God for 2,000 years.

“If Cascioli does not see the sun in the sky at midday, he cannot sue me because I see it and he does not,” Father Righi said.

Signor Cascioli said that the Gospels themselves were full of inconsistencies and did not agree on the names of the 12 apostles. He said that he would withdraw his legal action if Father Righi came up with irrefutable proof of Christ’s existence by the end of the month.

The Vatican has so far declined to comment.

THE EVIDENCE

The Gospels say that Jesus was born to the Virgin Mary in Bethlehem, grew up in Nazareth, preached and performed miracles in Galilee and died on the Cross in Jerusalem

In his Antiquities of the Jews at the end of the 1st century, Josephus, the Jewish historian, refers to Jesus as “a wise man, a doer of wonderful works” who “drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles”

Muslims believe Jesus was a great prophet. Many Jewish theologians regard Jesus as an itinerant rabbi who popularised many of the beliefs of liberal Jews. Neither Muslims nor Jews believe he was the Messiah and Son of God

Tacitus, the Roman historian who lived from 55 to 120, mentions “Christus” in his Annals. In about 120 Suetonius, author of The Lives of the Caesars, says: “Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, Emperor Claudius expelled them from Rome.”


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: antichristianity; jesushaters; priest
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To: InvisibleChurch
Is this the modern version of Miracle on 34th Street? I wonder what William Frawley is telling this judge?
21 posted on 01/02/2006 4:43:29 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: keithtoo

" This judge is a typical secularist who 'thinks he is thinking' when he spouts this Atheist nonsense."

I'm confused. Which judge is that?


22 posted on 01/02/2006 4:44:59 PM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: All

Prove Jesus Christ existed, or what? I didn't get the "or what" part.


23 posted on 01/02/2006 4:47:03 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: InvisibleChurch

"Signor Cascioli maintains that early Christian writers confused Jesus with John of Gamala, an anti-Roman Jewish insurgent in 1st-century Palestine. Church authorities were therefore guilty of “substitution of persons”."


Palestine, insurgent? huh?


24 posted on 01/02/2006 4:47:13 PM PST by minus_273
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To: InvisibleChurch
"God is dead."

- Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead."

- God

25 posted on 01/02/2006 4:48:23 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: InvisibleChurch

Father Righi just needs to go to court and read the book "A Case for Christ" to the judge. That should take approximately 2 years out of this courts' life as the plaintiff and the judge question different aspects of the reading.


26 posted on 01/02/2006 4:49:46 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: NormsRevenge
Italy has its own version of the 9th Circuit Circus, I see.

There I fixed it for you.

27 posted on 01/02/2006 4:50:38 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Wouldn't you love to be the priest that hears this judges "confession"?
I think there is a line in CS Lewis' "Chronicles of Narnia" that basically says "Just because you cannot see it, does not mean that it is not there."


28 posted on 01/02/2006 4:51:10 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: InvisibleChurch

Ping for later digestion


29 posted on 01/02/2006 4:53:22 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Proverbs 12:10)
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To: AnAmericanMother

I finally found someone else who remembers that. ;)


30 posted on 01/02/2006 4:54:29 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: InvisibleChurch
1st-century Palestine

Very telling!

Prove there was such a thing.

31 posted on 01/02/2006 4:54:49 PM PST by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised
Heh, heh. Not bad.

But don't forget, It was God who called for the contest, not Elijah. He was just following orders.

32 posted on 01/02/2006 4:55:13 PM PST by labette (Continually discovering things I am completely ignorant about...since 1959)
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To: InvisibleChurch
I believe that Josephus writings alone proves there was a historical Jesus. As far as I'm concerned, I don't believe that almost all of Jesus disciples died horrible deaths believing in a myth.
33 posted on 01/02/2006 4:56:00 PM PST by fish hawk (creatio ex nihilo)
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To: EveningStar
That graffito was written in the old Fifth Street Tunnel under the Downtown Connector, between the Georgia Tech campus and Midtown, back in the early 70s.

Saw it with my own eyes while going over to get the five for $5 roast beef sandwich special at Arby's.

34 posted on 01/02/2006 4:56:06 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
Roger that.

It's Puddleglum confronting the witch in The Silver Chair.

35 posted on 01/02/2006 4:56:56 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: InvisibleChurch
Here's an interesting question --

Why does he get to discount the Gospels? Why should he be able to do that?

36 posted on 01/02/2006 4:57:52 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: InvisibleChurch

Under this atheist's logic no one can prove anything by writing a testimony down today, because tomorrow he will reject it. He is saying because the people who wrote their testimonies of Jesus are dead, we can't really prove they actually knew and saw him. By his rule we can't prove Hitler existed--those photos and written reports by people who are now dead can't be trusted.


37 posted on 01/02/2006 4:58:12 PM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: fish hawk

Exactly.

12 men did not go out into the world to convert people to a Lie. Nobody risks their life for an idea that they know is a lie.

That's the real Proof that there was a Resurrection (and that He existed).


38 posted on 01/02/2006 5:01:50 PM PST by Nabber
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To: Bob J
Well, here is a reference point for you: "AN ITALIAN judge has ordered....."
39 posted on 01/02/2006 5:04:08 PM PST by keithtoo (Leftists/Democrats - Traitors, Haters and Vacillators)
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To: InvisibleChurch

No, really...If I understand this correctly, he's basically saying that at least two and perhaps three respected and influential historians of the era either got conned or made stuff up. Is that right?

I'm sort of reminded of the Washington Mutual commercial about Jen, the integrity-challenged lawyer:

"Is DNA really [finger quotes] 'evidence'?"...[shakes head, mouths "no"]


40 posted on 01/02/2006 5:04:54 PM PST by RichInOC ("Kudos, Jen. We appreciate your bold honesty.")
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