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To: Rummyfan
Much as I love Mark Steyn, I think he's wrong to write Europe off too quickly. There is a hard, nasty core at the heart of the European people. (The Germans in WWII, the French in Algeria, the Belgians in the Congo, the Brits in Kenya and Malaya, etc.)

It has largely been quiescent since 1945, but it is still there, and will be resurgent when things really start to hurt. And when their homelands are at stake, they will win.

4 posted on 01/02/2006 12:16:48 PM PST by expatpat
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To: expatpat

If their fertility rates remain so low, then by the time they decide to fight back, it may be too late.


6 posted on 01/02/2006 12:21:08 PM PST by Aetius
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To: expatpat

I lived in Europe for 7 years. All those you spoke of have died off and left the spoiled, welfare-raised brats behind to run the show. And they don't like to have kids.

Steyn offers truth. If Europeans don't have the will to turn off the welfare state, who will pay for it as the recipients age? They're not having kids. Keep that in mind.

Perhaps some smaller nations will survive, but the great European countries are doomed.


22 posted on 01/02/2006 1:31:24 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: expatpat
Pat. I must respectfully disagree with your analysis.

When we suggest that a nation (spell tribe) can and will recognize a mortal threat -- and take actions required for its survival -- certain assumptions are implicit in the thesis:

1. That the nature and identity of the "threat" is definitive; with clear options available in addressal thereof. Incremental demographic shifts -- with attendant social and cultural modifications to the tribal makeup -- make such options ever more difficult. (Who and where is the "enemy", etc...)

2. Building a consensus for unified action against the threat becomes ever more difficult -- if not impossible.

It seems to me that the biggest enemies Western Civilization has in this conflict with Islam are, in fact, TIME and an attendant diminution of NATIONAL WILL.

Happy New Year to all.
24 posted on 01/02/2006 1:44:13 PM PST by dk/coro
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To: expatpat

The out, "tough" Europe you're talking about no longer exists. Those guys are all dead. The remainder are embracing dhimmitude.


26 posted on 01/02/2006 2:01:35 PM PST by karnage
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To: expatpat
It has largely been quiescent since 1945, but it is still there, and will be resurgent when things really start to hurt. And when their homelands are at stake, they will win.

What Europe needs is a War!

31 posted on 01/02/2006 2:57:11 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: expatpat

I agree. Europe will either go quitly, or explode in an orgy of racial violence that will make the Holocaust look like a church social. It is impossible to say which it will be. But as of this time, I'm putting my money down on "explode".


32 posted on 01/02/2006 3:26:10 PM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: expatpat
Much as I love Mark Steyn, I think he's wrong to write Europe off too quickly. There is a hard, nasty core at the heart of the European people. (The Germans in WWII, the French in Algeria, the Belgians in the Congo, the Brits in Kenya and Malaya, etc.)
It has largely been quiescent since 1945, but it is still there, and will be resurgent when things really start to hurt. And when their homelands are at stake, they will win.


WRONG!
He's right on the mark!!
I was living in Sweden in the third largest city, Malmo, in 1981-83 with only a minor population rate of Muslims. Today I believe that 30%+ of the population are "foreigners" or none-Swedish born!!!
48 posted on 01/02/2006 9:30:34 PM PST by danamco
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To: expatpat
And when their homelands are at stake, they will win.

Based on how soft and pathetic Europe has become, I somehow doubt it.

Perhaps the best thing we could do for them is end NATO, remove our troops, and force them to defend themselves.
55 posted on 01/03/2006 2:16:38 PM PST by Antoninus (Hillary smiles every time a Freeper trashes Santorum.)
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To: expatpat; Rummyfan

<< It has largely been quiescent since 1945 ... >>

It has been absent since long before 1945.

Germany's millions of totally defeated monstrous barbarians were so traumatized in Eastern Europe and in the Soviet Union and/or watched helplessly as their wives and mothers and daughters were raped and brutalized by Asian-Muslim Soviets and/or ran away to South America as to have already been a spent force long before the United States removed them and maintained them from the reality of the threat to their security posed by the Evil Empire and subsidized, at the cost of more than Five Trillion post-war Dollars, all of Western Europe's much vaunted social services.

Although not delivered its coup-de-grace until the Atlee gummint gutted it completely, Britain was already a spent force more than fifty years before Neville Chamberlain so perfectly represented its people's passion for appeasement with his waved peace-in-our-time paper from Munich and its military demonstrated its worth as it ran through Europe to Dunkirk and through Asia to cower at the Singapore Cricket Club while waiting to surrender to the bicycling Japanese who struggled to catch up. And it too has ever since allowed the sacrifice of Trillions of America's Dollars and millions of lifetimes of our lives' energies to emasculate, feminize and homosexualize it into effete degeneration.

Only Australia and the United States, Israel, some New Zealanders and small surviving pockets of former African and other British colonialists have both the balls and the backbone to survive the barbarians assaults upon our Judeo-Christian/American/Human Civilization.

And even then, only if we can root out the manifestation of evil that are our Europhile mainstream media and their modern "Democrat" political allies and their every bit as un-and-anti-American activist-"Democrat" stooges who for more than seven decades have manned the machinery of the feral gummint and have fifth columned its agencies, institutions and departments.


58 posted on 01/03/2006 3:09:49 PM PST by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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To: expatpat

Sorry. I think it was mostly killed off in WWII, or drank itself to death during the Cold War.


70 posted on 01/04/2006 6:31:41 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: expatpat

"There is a hard, nasty core at the heart of the European people."

Yeppers on that one. Anyone remember Twain's The French & The Hugonots? That ST. Bartholomulew's celebration is just the example of French 'nasty'.


102 posted on 01/05/2006 8:27:33 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: expatpat

Islam has already conquered two-thirds of Christendom. After a pause that's lasted centuries, they are ready to expand further. I predict that they will grasp two-thirds of the remainder of Christendom before the West figures out what's going on and moves to stop (not reverse) their expansion.


106 posted on 01/05/2006 9:34:41 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (How long do we have to pretend that the vast majority of Democrats are patriots?)
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To: expatpat

Unfortunately, they aren't having babies at a rate that will allow them to win. They may struggle when the inevitable finally becomes clear to them, but it will be the gasps of a dying culture. What a shame. (no sarcasm)


129 posted on 01/07/2006 5:32:41 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Take the high road. You'll never have to meet a Democrat.)
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To: expatpat
"There is a hard, nasty core at the heart of the European people"

You got that right, and they're called Germans. I think, I hope that under Merkel they come out swingin'.
137 posted on 01/08/2006 6:12:08 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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