Posted on 12/29/2005 5:53:27 AM PST by harpu
"We have a supply and a demand problem. The supply problem is coming across the border. We are in this bill doing something very specific about that with the inclusion of the amendment, with the passage of the amendment, to build some barrier along at least 700 miles of our southern border. I hope we continue with that, by the way, along the entire border, to the extent it is feasible, and the northern border we could start next." -- Rep. Tom Tancredo (R., Colo.)
So there you have it. Tom Tancredo has done everyone a favor by stating plainly the immigration rejectionists' end-game -- turn the United States into the world's largest gated community. The House took a step in that direction this month by passing another immigration "reform" bill heavy with border control and business harassment and light on anything that will work in the real world.
For the past two decades, border enforcement has been the main focus of immigration policy; by any measure, the results are pitiful. According to the Migration Policy Institute, "The number of unauthorized migrants in the United States has risen to almost 11 million from about four million over the past 20 years, despite a 519% increase in funding and a 221% increase in staffing for border patrol programs."
Given that record, it's hard to see the House Republican bill as much more than preening about illegal immigration. The legislation is aimed at placating a small but vocal constituency that wants the borders somehow sealed, come what may to the economy, American traditions of liberty or the Republican Party's relationship with the increasingly important Latino vote.
-big giant snip-
...At some point, the president of the United States will have to get behind the Statue of Liberty or Tom Tancredo's wall.
(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...
In other words you want amnesty. That's how we got 10 million illegals here in the first place. One amnesty after another encouraged the next wave. You must really think we are stupid if you expect us to buy into another program like that.
These second-class citizens will be agitating for full citizenship two seconds after this program goes into effect. And what about the babies? Is a woman supposed to leave the country after she gets pregnant.
This is how empires fail. They get lazy and take advantage of cheap foreign labor.
They have been throwing this figure of 11 million illegals around for a couple of years now. I see twice as many illegals around now as when this figure came out. I'll bet it is a lot closer to 22 million........and counting.
There seems to be no problem with aiding the Dominican Republic with their wall/barrier.
I am in favor of ending birthright citizenship. I think the law has been exploited and was never intended to cover the babies of illegal aliens.
Finally you make some sense, at least on the first part.
The federal and state government buearacrats know exactly who is paying the "free" money into the system. They know there are lots of fake id numbers and they gladly take the money anyway. Don't rock the boat, it's gravy train time.
As for business owners, it is still a crime to employee these people knowingly. Therefore many turn a blind eye to make a buck. What would you do if the IRS called you up and told you that one of your employees is using fake id papers? That is what they should at least be doing. Ask your brohter in law too.
Tancredo should be calling for investigations of the IRS and Social Security Administration for corruption and money laundering.
More crap from libertarianism, the ideology of oligarchy ?
Why don't you types just honestly admit that what you want is to turn American into Mexico with yourselves as el jefe in the white suit in the big house ?
Don't be stupid. You are profiting handsomely. A cheap labor world of low wages but high corporate profits is good for people who live off of financial services. It is hell for people who pay taxes and live off of paychecks.
You know, I could care less whom your clients are.
If you are in banking, you have knowledge of money transfers and flows and have an idea of how many billions are changing hands and leaving the country to Mexico through the hands of illegals.
Your relentless Ad hominem attacks on folks who may not be inclined to your open borders, open markets at any cost attitude and who have legitimate beefs with the current situation - are not large enough donors to the Republican party to persuade your partners in crime in DC. Keep on giving, keep up with that attitude and see what happens in '06 and '08. I would be willing to wager it will not be to your liking.
President Bush, either through his own experiences or advise of folks like you is pandering to corporate or self interests above Citizens - aka taxpayers and Republicans.
When the Republican party (RINO Senators)are more interested in giving away free college benefits and scholarships to non-citzens, and are more interested in baseball doping than correcting budgetary issues, reforming retirement and health plans, and the War in Iraq, you know - thinking beyond their next election - if that far in advance, there will be very little sympathy come election time. Maybe bigtime donors like yourself can bail the party out. You can probably get a bean counter to make it a business expense or tax deduction, you know - a cost of doing business.
Sliming anyone who disagrees with you on border issues as a racist or pitchforker really shows your advanced skills in philosopy.
So whats wrong with making the US a gated community? What's wrong with folks wanting to have neighbors and workers you can speak to in your language and not worry if they are a recidivist felon? Dont you want your fellow citizens to live as well as you do? Or do you get upset at an upwardly mobile middle class?
Since you are such a big "Free" Trader - where are the reciprocal trade agreements with Mexico? Why cant I go to Mexico - work and live as I please, with free medical care, vote, drive, own property - bring my family down there - and
open a business, speak english - without documents and without being jailed? Where is the reciprocity? What has the current administration done besides enable one-sided flows of cash to Mexico and latin america? Why has the president appointed a lawyer buddy of his to be ambassador to Mexico - who in turn marries a Billionaire oligarch baroness and refuses to resign his post or even consider the legal and ethical consequences of his personal actions - violating federal ethics statutes.
Dog us as much as you want. We will see what happens to the RINOS and rats in '06 and '08.
He sure is.
Bump to your posts.
They Will Deport Themselves February 16th, 2002 | Sabertooth
Posted on 02/16/2002 11:28:04 AM EST by Sabertooth
They Will Deport Themselves
Every time an illegal alien sets foot in America he or she is a knowing burglar, breaking and entering across our borders, violating our laws. They are also squatters, attempting to colonize our land and our nation. Every moment of their presence in our country is an ongoing criminal act.
It is also illegal for a them to work here, so every cent these alien invaders take is done so illegally… as is every dollar of unearned subsidies they're able to defraud from American taxpayers.
Thus, all of the proceeds of the illegals' inhabitation of the United States are the ill-gotten gains of an ongoing criminal enterprise.
As such, they ought to be treated like the proceeds of any other criminal enterprise, from fraud to theft to drug dealing to racketeering…
The assets of illegal aliens should be subject to total forfeiture.
They are criminals, there is no moral reason why not. Therefore, a solution to much of our nation's problems with these international burglars resolves into focus…
Amnesty for illegal aliens was tried in 1986, with a bipartisan bill that was signed into law by President Reagan. 2.7 million illegals were able to get green cards in a one-time only program. That amnesty would only happen once was an integral part of the bargain the federal government struck with the American people, who have always opposed illegal immigration by large margins. The other part of the bargain was a promise of effective law enforcement against future illegals.
The craven betrayal of this promise to the American people is bipartisan. Presidents Reagan, Bush the Elder, and Clinton all ignored the problem of illegals, as did both parties in Congress with the lone exception of the Republicans in 1996. Key to this failure has been the unwillingness of the federal government to deport illegals, as the law provides, in large numbers from the interior of our country.
Without deportation, there will be no solution to illegal immigration. Now that the cancer of illegals has metastasized to 12 million and growing, many of these same politicians suggest that the solution to their malfeasance of duty is some new form of amnesty… "Nevermind the earlier deal with the American people, the problem is now too big for our laws to solve, we must Surrender."
Their condescending gall is like that of death row lawyers who run out of appeals, and then suggest that execution after 15 years is cruel and unusual punishment. Any unpleasantness resulting from the delay is entirely the onus of our elected officials to bear. The American people never wanted their laws not to be enforced.
Even the current White House of President George W. Bush is sending such signals with their periodic trial balloons about "normalizing undocumented workers" and "making their work legal."
This is as much as saying…
"Because we broke our promise to enforce the law against illegal aliens, we have no choice to break our promise that amnesty would happen only once."
Bunk.
We are told incessantly by these same spineless, duplicitous politicians from both parties how the problem of illegal immigration is intractable… Much as many of those same cowards once described the problem of terrorism. Winning changes things, doesn't it?
It's time to fight and win the battle against the illegal invaders, all 12 million-plus of them. We don't need to round them all up; we simply enact the appropriate and fully Constitutional legislation, and serve the aliens notice:
"Be gone in 90 days. If you aren't, all of the proceeds of your criminal presence in the United States will be subject to total asset forfeiture."
This will be the disincentive to their ongoing invasion.
Some will leave, and some won't. After 90 days, we round up a few hundred thousand of them. That should be enough time to hire the manpower to process the invaders. Then we take all they own within our borders, recycle it into INS coffers, and send them swiftly back to their own countries, whether China, Mexico, Ireland, or wherever, with no profit for their illegal efforts.
The other 12 million illegals will take heed. Step aside, and watch the stampede.
It will only get easier… if only we start.
It won't cost us any $225 billion dollars, either.
The U.S. Taxpayers are forced to squander billions and billions of dollars on illegal aliens every year.
Illegal aliens are a NET drain on our economy.
Add the billions we receive from the proceeds of the sale of their assets to the billions we no longer have to spend in the support of illegal aliens and we'll reduce the National Debt and not just the annual deficit.
They are not out of touch, they are simply liars.
Just for sake of discussion let's say the U.S. Taxpayers spend $7,000 per child of an illegal alien per year for education. I know it's close to double that in some major metropolitan areas, but say on average it's $7,000 per year.
Then that $5 billion and change of yours only pays to educate 700,000 to 800,000 kids, CL. How many illegal alien kids do you think are in the United States, CL?
Who pays for their health-care? Who paid the bill to deliver these babies in the first place, CL?
Who pays for their Welfare, Food stamps, shelter, clothing, etc.?
I've seen studies that suggest illegal immigrants are a $70 to $400 billion dollar a year NET loss to the U.S. Taxpayers.
Enforce the laws. They will deport themselves.
The Wall Street Journal has a pretty good editorial page but let's not forget one decisive fact: It's a business journal written by and for the business community: Among whom is its constituency of businesses that are attracting and exploiting illegal peons so they can buy low and sell high. They love those low wages but are indifferent to the billions this is costing American taxpayers in social welfare, prison incarceration, the drug cartel, and the economic collapse of hospitals and school systems. But then again, a reader of the Journal can easily find out how to avoid those taxes by overseas investment and shelters. No pain but lots of gain!
"They will deport themselves" - an immortal post by Sabertooth in Feb 2002
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/629313/posts
They love those low wages, and the fact that they're subsidized by sucker taxpayers who provide the public services illegals come here for.
No. That is not "amnesty." Learn the difference and get back to me, Einstein.
I actually believe that significant numbers of naturalized Hispanics will vote conservative. The trend in the voting hispanic community is clearly AWAY from the democratic party, if you look at the last 3 presidential elections. It is even stronger at the state and congressional level. If the community were static (like blacks have been), then I would see much more reason for your fears. As it is, they show they CAN be won, and it does not take freebies to win them.
If you show a hispanic that you respect and value him/her, you have a friend for life. That stuff is a BIG BIG deal to them.
Good question. There's nothing wrong with that.
Excellent post.
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