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To: chronic_loser
If you want to get serious about illegals, start with the part of the goverment which already has all the record keeping resources in place, not lay some new burden on businessowners.

Finally you make some sense, at least on the first part.

The federal and state government buearacrats know exactly who is paying the "free" money into the system. They know there are lots of fake id numbers and they gladly take the money anyway. Don't rock the boat, it's gravy train time.

As for business owners, it is still a crime to employee these people knowingly. Therefore many turn a blind eye to make a buck. What would you do if the IRS called you up and told you that one of your employees is using fake id papers? That is what they should at least be doing. Ask your brohter in law too.

Tancredo should be calling for investigations of the IRS and Social Security Administration for corruption and money laundering.

146 posted on 12/29/2005 6:38:07 PM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: Trteamer
As for business owners, it is still a crime to employee these people knowingly.

I agree, and it should be.

Therefore many turn a blind eye to make a buck. What would you do if the IRS called you up and told you that one of your employees is using fake id papers? That is what they should at least be doing.

I know of one electrician who ran into this. He had employed a helper. The IRS told him the social was no good, and that he faced a 5000 fine per day for every future day he employed the guy. Problem solved. The original problem was not that he was "greedy" because he payed the guy standard prevailing wages for good SKILLED construction helpers (11 dollars an hour). The illegal wanted to work. He worked hard, he would work late, he was sober, and was meticulously honest, and he had legit looking papers.

I am sure there are shoddy and sleazy people out there who employ illegals. Those kind of exploitative people will always exist, and their businesses are at the bottom of the chain. If you contract them, you are likely to get shoddy work that reflects the character of the employer. HOWEVER Many American businessowners simply want someone who is motivated, honest, hardworking, and bright, and they will search whereever they can find that person. I hear wails of protest on FR that these people exist in droves among the American citizenry. My personal experience in running my dad's construction company in the 70s belies this (I have posted on this before). It was so bad that I walked away from the company, rather than take it over. Further, anecdotal experience (and it is admittedly anecdotal, all this stuff by definition has to be) from other businessowners is similar. Small business owners are the backbone of America. We create 80% of the new jobs in the country. Most of us are honest, do NOT run a "two tier" program of "slave wages" (Mexicans are paid the same as any other worker, if they work) and simply want to offer good quality product. We are NOT tyrannical bastards (well, I am not tyrannical, anyway), and most of us work longer hours for less money per hour than our best paid employees. Often, we take little if any "vacations" and we run around in 10 year old vehicles, wondering why someone would drop 80 thousand dollars for a Mercedes. THOSE are the people who are employing all the illegals here, not some Jeff Skilling or Bernie Ebbers clones. We tend to love our employees if they are there a while, and sometimes do things like set up college funds with pre-paid tuition for their kids as an end of year bonus (I know of one person who did that).

Because of that, I resent the living hell (I guess it shows, huh?) out of the "core" of carping, mewling cabal of freepers on these threads. They have shown themselves willing to "shade" the truth by selectively quoting statistics, willingly ignoring published studies that defy their shibboleths (hispanics are not assimilating) willing who constantly not only assume but accuse (with NO basis) that anyone who is not "report and deport and lock it down" is a cheat, a swindler, a "quisling" (my personal favorite), a "beaner," a commie, a socialist, etc. Part of it is just the internet, I know, and you have dyspeptic loons in any thread in any forum. Part of it, though, is what I see as an offense at the core of what I believe to be great about America, and an offense against future good citizens by a hateful shriveled band of disgusting xenophobes. I have always despised hypocritical self righteous rants, whether from the right or the left, and don't mind at all the caterwauling when I stick my finger in their eye.

Tancredo should be calling for investigations of the IRS and Social Security Administration for corruption and money laundering.

ON THAT we are in 100% agreement.

161 posted on 12/30/2005 3:34:14 AM PST by chronic_loser ((Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.))
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