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Hollywood's bad guy problem
LA Times ^ | Dec. 28, 2005 | Max Boot

Posted on 12/28/2005 3:49:53 PM PST by conservativecorner

WHEN YOU THINK about it, World War II was far from black and white. Sure, the German and Japanese militarists were evil, but Britain and the United States did terrible things too. They killed hundreds of thousands of German and Japanese civilians, and they allied themselves with the Soviet Union, which was every bit as awful as the Axis. The outcome was ambiguous because, although Germany and Japan were defeated, the Iron Curtain descended from Eastern Europe to North Korea.

Yet for 60 years, Hollywood has had no problem making movies that depict World War II as a struggle of good versus evil. Rightly so. Because for all the Allies' faults, they were the good guys.

For some reason, Hollywood can't take an equally clear-eyed view of the war on terrorism. The current conflict, pitting the forces of freedom against those of Islamo-fascism, is every bit as clear cut as World War II. Yet fashionable filmmakers insist on painting both sides in shades of gray, as if Israeli secret agents or American soldiers were comparable to Al Qaeda killers. Two of the most serious holiday flicks — "Syriana" and "Munich" — are case studies in mindless moral relativism and pathetic pseudo-sophistication.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hollywood; hollywoodleft
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1 posted on 12/28/2005 3:49:53 PM PST by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner
Yep. Seems completely unable to grasp the concept that the aggressors are morally equal to the victims
2 posted on 12/28/2005 3:52:57 PM PST by MNJohnnie (We do not create terrorism by fighting the terrorists. We invite terrorism by ignoring them.--GWBush)
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To: conservativecorner

This country's mass news media has been almost completly usurped by the "One World Socialists". Thank God for the likes of right wing talk radio and Fox News.


3 posted on 12/28/2005 3:54:27 PM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: conservativecorner

Don't forget "Kingdom of Heaven". If they had portrayed the Muslims as the bad guys I would have gone to see it.


4 posted on 12/28/2005 3:57:58 PM PST by Nateman
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To: conservativecorner

"the United States did terrible things too. They killed hundreds of thousands of German and Japanese"

At the time these decisions were being made, the outcome of the war was anything but certain. It's easy now to look back and argue that we could have won with one hand tied behind our back, but it would have been irresponsible to fight the war like that, especially considering what we knew was at stake.


5 posted on 12/28/2005 4:01:28 PM PST by Spok (Est omnis de civilitate.)
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To: conservativecorner

The answer is very simple, really.

The ability to distinguish between good and evil automatically assumes a conscience. A conscience automatically assumes the ability to take responsibility. Responsibility automatically assumes the ability, and requirement, to act.

The root of the "problem" is the ability to act.

Action requires risk. In this case, action against evil requires risk to life and limb, in a real sense, that most people who live comfortably (whether they are rich, college students on their parent's dole, or just content to be stupid)have no desire to actually do.

If you absolve yourself of the ability to act, you therefore absolve yourself of the commensurate ability to take responsibility, the need for a conscience, and finally, the need to recognize good and evil.

This is the crux of the anti-war movement now, and way back in the 1930's.


6 posted on 12/28/2005 4:01:43 PM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: conservativecorner
"... mindless moral relativism and pathetic pseudo-sophistication."

The reason Hollywood's rolling in the stacks from box office receipts.

7 posted on 12/28/2005 4:02:30 PM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: conservativecorner

Max, you A$$HOLE. We were the good guys. They were the bad guys who slaughtered Jews, Chinese, Koreans, Phillipinos, Catholics, Romas, and everybody who disagreed with them. Sounds pretty damn black & white to me.


8 posted on 12/28/2005 4:03:57 PM PST by No Longer Free State (No event has just one cause, no person has just one motive, no action has just the intended effect)
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To: Don Corleone

C'mon. This was WRITTEN by one of those one-world-socialists--Max Boot works for the CFR. The only difference between CFR and Hollywood is CFR doesn't mind extending its dominion by conquest, and Hollywood prefers to propaganda-bludgeon its victims into submission. Both agree 100% that the world ought to be one happy place full of fuzzy bunnies and soft duckies where people all love one another and drink a Coke together and an enlightened government that runs the whole planet will make it so.

The enlightened government being them, of course.


9 posted on 12/28/2005 4:08:56 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if ya don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: conservativecorner
The problem liberals have with storytelling is that it requires a point of view. If there's no moral to the story, no heroes, and no villians, people aren't going to be drawn in.

Moral relativism goes against the core of what storytelling is. Even tired formulas like 'the evil corporation versus the plucky lawyer' or 'the corrupt police officers versus the guy who's just looking for the truth' are more engaging than a story without moral context.

There was a part of the movie 'The American President' where Michael Douglas gives an impassioned speech about why he's a member of the ACLU and why everyone else should be. I don't agree with it in the slightest, but I find the passion the character shows entertaining. The conflict was interesting. Angst and moral indecision simply doesn't engage audiences for long.

10 posted on 12/28/2005 4:09:38 PM PST by Steel Wolf (If the Founders had wanted the President to be spying on our phone calls, they would have said so!)
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To: Spok

"It's easy now to look back and argue that we could have won with one hand tied behind our back, but it would have been irresponsible to fight the war like that, especially considering what we knew was at stake."

Yet for some reason we fight in Iraq and Afghanistan like the outcome there is certain.


11 posted on 12/28/2005 4:10:24 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if ya don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: MNJohnnie
Hi Johnnie. Happy New Year to you and yours!

It isn't just Hollyweird that's doing this sort of thing. Too many novelists are, as well. I'm currently reading David Baldacci's new book, "The Camel Club." Normally a reader would be hard pressed to find even a hint of Baldacci's politics in his novels. He's a superb writer and I'm a fan.

Unfortunately, this new book it about a terrorist plot against the POTUS, and Baldacci gives his characters a thoroughly Leftist point of view about everything from Iraq to their favorite U.S. president (Jimmy Carter).

Sigh. It's getting so there is almost no relief from Leftist propaganda any place in popular culture anymore.

12 posted on 12/28/2005 4:19:54 PM PST by Wolfstar ("We must...all hang together or...we shall all hang separately." Benjamin Franklin)
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To: conservativecorner

I am amazed this made it into the LA Slimes.


13 posted on 12/28/2005 4:22:36 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Wolfstar
Yep. I am amazed how many artist somehow think it is sensible to interject their political opinions into their work. Really stupid. It's this 60's era pseudo intellectual mindset that drives me nuts "See, see how wise I am! I see shades of grey in everything"

Um NO. The inability to make critical distinctions and objective judgments is the hall mark of CHILDISH intellects, NOT a mature adult mind.

14 posted on 12/28/2005 4:36:28 PM PST by MNJohnnie (We do not create terrorism by fighting the terrorists. We invite terrorism by ignoring them.--GWBush)
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To: conservativecorner

This goes far beyond Hollywood. The entire socialist Left -- all around the world -- refuse to see this war for what it is: an epic collision of cultures, with the minority culture determined to ascend, and the dominant culture apologetic for its success.


15 posted on 12/28/2005 4:39:22 PM PST by IronJack
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To: conservativecorner

> Britain and the United States did terrible things too.

Those silly freedom-people: they started it. Forgot to invite the Axis to take over. No manners! 'Twas their own fault they got attacked!

> They killed hundreds of thousands of German and Japanese civilians,

Mindless and unprovoked violence against Innocents! For shame, freedom-people! The Axis would *never* do that!

> and they allied themselves with the Soviet Union, which was every bit as awful as the Axis.

The Soviets forgot to invite the Axis to take over. No manners! It's their own fault they got invaded by Nazis!


16 posted on 12/28/2005 4:48:09 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: conservativecorner
Leftist dogma says that violence doesn't solve problems, talking does. After all, talking is what liberals do best. That's why Theo van Gogh pleaded with his murderer, "We can still talk about this!" as he was murdered. They don't get the concept that some problems just can't be solved by talking and that some people have demands that just aren't reasonable and won't make compromises.
17 posted on 12/28/2005 5:05:17 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: conservativecorner
I've noticed that these days, if an Arab appears in a movie, he is always innocent. It is always either:

a high-ranking member of the government ( i.e. legislative, executive or military )

or
an industrialist
and/or
A Nazi, either unrepentent or Neo.

Communists are also given a free pass.

18 posted on 12/28/2005 5:32:20 PM PST by jmcenanly
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To: conservativecorner
Civilized countries must use violence to defeat barbarians.

BINGO!

19 posted on 12/28/2005 5:55:43 PM PST by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset)
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To: conservativecorner

Funny they made plenty of movies about Arab terrorists when Clinton was President and prior to 911... but, now that their scripts have come true they don't want anything to do with the subject.


20 posted on 12/28/2005 6:06:35 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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