Evolution's Thermodynamic Failure

The American Spectator ^ | December 28, 2005 | Granville Sewell

[johnnyb_61820]

... the idea that the four fundamental forces of physics alone could rearrange the fundamental particles of nature into spaceships, nuclear power plants, and computers, connected to laser printers, CRTs, keyboards and the Internet, appears to violate the second law of thermodynamics in a spectacular way.

Anyone who has made such an argument is familiar with the standard reply: the Earth is an open system, it receives energy from the sun, and order can increase in an open system, as long as it is "compensated" somehow by a comparable or greater decrease outside the system. S. Angrist and L. Hepler, for example, in "Order and Chaos", write, "In a certain sense the development of civilization may appear contradictory to the second law.... Even though society can effect local reductions in entropy, the general and universal trend of entropy increase easily swamps the anomalous but important efforts of civilized man. Each localized, man-made or machine-made entropy decrease is accompanied by a greater increase in entropy of the surroundings, thereby maintaining the required increase in total entropy."

According to this reasoning, then, the second law does not prevent scrap metal from reorganizing itself into a computer in one room, as long as two computers in the next room are rusting into scrap metal -- and the door is open. In Appendix D of my new book, The Numerical Solution of Ordinary and Partial Differential Equations, second edition, I take a closer look at the equation for entropy change, which applies not only to thermal entropy but also to the entropy associated with anything else that diffuses, and show that it does not simply say that order cannot increase in a closed system. It also says that in an open system, order cannot increase faster than it is imported through the boundary. ...

[Elsie]

As far as I know no one has (thankfully) tried

	Bubbles	Chimp	Michael Jackson's "friend" (power to the primates!!!)
	Oliver	Chimp	Unusual in that he walks in a bipedal gait and enjoys the company of people--or did when he was younger. He was originally brought into the U.S. with 12 other chimpanzees but immediately stood out as different. He learned to drink, enjoy coffee and beer, and smoke cigars. In the evenings he would sit on a sofa and watch television. If his caregivers were out of coffee, he would walk into the kitchen, pour a cup, and take it into the den. As he got older, he made sexual advances on the wife and as a result was sold. Now living in retirement in Texas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

[Elsie]

That they choose to call them by another name is similar to the "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet".

Likewise...

"A rose by any other name would be called something else"

[Elsie]

...we wouldn't have to protect our kids from sharp objects, electrical outlets and toxic cleaning materials.

If it don't kill ya, it makes you stronger.

[Elsie]

If you're right, I'm going to have to throw out all my Wiley texts and recommend the same to others.

Why?

They are merely booksellers...

[bobdsmith]

lol if a ball is on a slope it seems obvious it should roll down More conjecture

[Elsie]

(I.e. the results of the droughts were such that the sizes and natures of seeds available to the birds shifted significantly, and so did the average beak sizes. There was already a range of available beak sizes in the population, so differential survival rapidly shifted the average or typical beak size.)

Big deal... NOT! This ain't "Evolution", so quit trying to use it as such.

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Go here for the same kinda stuff. http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange1/current/lectures/predation/predation.html

[Elsie]

Oops!

I left you guys out of the above

[Elsie]

OUCH!!!!

[Elsie]

...if only by artificial insemination.

Or if the Basset Hound puts him up to it!

[Elsie]

The creator created life.

 

 

As you are SO fond of saying... "Which One?"

 

 

Genesis 1:25

  God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

 

 ...according to their kinds don't support Evolution.

 

 

 

[connectthedots]

My prediction was that technology will allow evolutionary mechanisms of natural selection an mutation to be directly tested over millions of generations on organisms alive today. This is exactly like a prediction that 1tb harddrives will eventually be widespread. It's inevitable in a culture of increasing technology and knowledge about genetics.

No it isn't. Hard drives already exist and there is a history of them being made smaller, faster and less expensive. In order for advancements in technology to proof that evolution is true, you must first assume that macro evolution is true in the first place. The reality is that there currently is no proof that it is true.

BTW, natural selection is widely accepted, so advancements in technology would have little to add to the debate on evolution. It is macro-evolution that is the issue.

[Elsie]

Ramen.

Heretic!!!

May His Great Noodley Appendage smite thee with boils!

[bobdsmith]

I said evolution will be tested, not proven true.

It is pretty much certain that evolution of creatures over millions of generations will be testable in the future. We won't have to wait millions of years.

[Elsie]

Neither did they give proper credit to Rosalind Franklin after stealing her early work on DNA.

Shades Of 'Dr' Hwang Who-Suk!

[connectthedots]

Well, at least you admit that there is no proof that evolution is true. That being the case, at least you are an intellectually honest evolutionist in that regard.

[Elsie]

[Job got a raw deal, by the way.]

Not so at all! (read ALL the book! ;^)

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Job 42

 

 1.  Then Job replied to the LORD:
 2.  "I know that you can do all things; no plan of yours can be thwarted.
 3.  [You asked,] `Who is this that obscures my counsel without knowledge?' Surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know.
 4.  ["You said,] `Listen now, and I will speak; I will question you, and you shall answer me.'
 5.  My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you.
 6.  Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes."
 7.  After the LORD had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has.
 8.  So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has."
 9.  So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite did what the LORD told them; and the LORD accepted Job's prayer.
 10.  After Job had prayed for his friends, the LORD made him prosperous again and gave him twice as much as he had before.
 11.  All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the LORD had brought upon him, and each one gave him a piece of silver and a gold ring.
 12.  The LORD blessed the latter part of Job's life more than the first. He had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys.
 13.  And he also had seven sons and three daughters.
 14.  The first daughter he named Jemimah, the second Keziah and the third Keren-Happuch.
 15.  Nowhere in all the land were there found women as beautiful as Job's daughters, and their father granted them an inheritance along with their brothers.
 16.  After this, Job lived a hundred and forty years; he saw his children and their children to the fourth generation.
 17.  And so he died, old and full of years.

[Elsie]

[Job got a raw deal, by the way.]

Surely you remember about the Potter and the clay?

[Elsie]

Better read quicker!

It's darn ROUGH to get called to these things late!!! ;^)

[Elsie]

...the bottom picture probably ought to be 10,000 monkeys typing to see if they can recreate a Free Republic crevo thread.

No need for probabilities; what's the Latin???

Ergo sum incognito?

[Elsie]

an interest in Free Republic (not necessarily possible with either of the previous two...)

Honey? Is that YOU??

Get off the other computer and fix me some vittles!!