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Prize Fight: Raymond Damadian refuses to take his failure to win a Nobel Prize, for a prototype MRI
Smithsonian ^ | Dec. 2003 | Rick Weiss

Posted on 12/28/2005 10:46:19 AM PST by hellbender

PRIZE FIGHT Damadian, a physician-scientist then at Brooklyn’s Downstate Medical Center, went on to build the first magnetic resonance imaging machine, an MRI scanner he nicknamed Indomitable. Millions of patients would go on to benefit from this new technology’s capacity to create astonishingly sharp images of the body’s soft tissues. And Damadian appeared embarked on what many perceived to be an inevitable progression toward the famed concert hall in Stockholm where he would someday be awarded a Nobel Prize. **** But it is difficult not to at least consider another explanation: that scientists on the assembly or in other positions of influence could not abide Damadian’s staunch support for "creationist science." Damadian is a firm believer in a literal translation of the Bible: he has no doubt that the earth was created by God during a six-day stretch about 6,000 years ago. Damadian has also served as a technical adviser to the Institute for Creation Research, which rejects the standard model of evolution."

(Excerpt) Read more at smithsonianmag.si.edu ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: creationism; damadian; education; evolution; invention; mri; nobelprize
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This casts doubt on any assertion that failure to teach, or even believe in, evolution will have a catastrophic effect on scientific progress. When it comes to practical utility, or even predictive power, evolution is pretty much "fringe science." No one really needs to understand it, except for a few academics. Anyone wanting to contribute to the health or wealth of society (and himself) would do better to study any of many other fields of science where revolutionary progress is being made (genetics, molecular biology, nanotechnology). I doubt that our political and commercial rivals, especially in East Asia, are spending much time teaching middle schoolers evolution; they're too busy with math, chemistry, and physics. Disclaimer: I am not a creationist, and accept evolution. Please spare us any flames directed as creationism, ID, or religion
1 posted on 12/28/2005 10:46:20 AM PST by hellbender
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To: hellbender

SPOTREP - some of us have been telling this story for a long time. Great to reinforce it!


2 posted on 12/28/2005 10:47:24 AM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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Oh, oh ... looks like Creationists aren't nuts after all!
It is the reverse that is true ... .


3 posted on 12/28/2005 10:47:51 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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Naturally I am a "Creationist" are far from ashamed of it. It is amazing how many scientists are ... Isac Newton and others made unparalleled contributions in their time. I wish I could say the same for evolutionists ... but I can't ... . Oh well.

Flame away!!!


4 posted on 12/28/2005 10:50:26 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: hellbender
Paul Lauterbur already won the Nobel prize for this, with another fellow.
5 posted on 12/28/2005 10:50:55 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: hellbender
More info on the MRI Nobel Prize, here.
6 posted on 12/28/2005 10:52:49 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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When it comes to practical utility, or even predictive power, evolution is pretty much "fringe science."

When it comes to practical utility, or even predictive power, intelligent design is pretty much the way to go. In fact, it's been a general principle of science from the beginning.

7 posted on 12/28/2005 10:53:33 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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Yes, but if you read the whole Smithsonian article, it discusses the various contributors. It also has some fascinating anecdotes about bad judgment in awarding past prizes. Very good, balanced article.


8 posted on 12/28/2005 10:54:14 AM PST by hellbender
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This casts doubt on any assertion that failure to teach, or even believe in, evolution will have a catastrophic effect on scientific progress.

Yes. Typical liberal insipness. Pushed here by insipid phony conservatives with an agenda related to their personal issues vis-a-vis religion.

9 posted on 12/28/2005 10:55:00 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: hellbender

Yes, interesting.


10 posted on 12/28/2005 10:55:45 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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I wish I could say the same for evolutionists ... but I can't

Just so we're clear: you are seriously claiming that no "evolutionists" have made significant contributions to science? Impressive.

11 posted on 12/28/2005 10:57:40 AM PST by ThinkDifferent (I am a leaf on the wind)
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The prize awarded for the MRI is one of many Nobels that have come under scrutiny. It pays to be a 'good old boy' to get one of them.


12 posted on 12/28/2005 10:58:59 AM PST by ladyjane
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When it comes to practical utility, or even predictive power, intelligent design is pretty much the way to go.

What predictions does intelligent design make? What experiements or observations would confirm or disprove it?

13 posted on 12/28/2005 11:00:46 AM PST by ThinkDifferent (I am a leaf on the wind)
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This can't be true, since we know that all of science collapses in an instant if everybody doesn't believe Darwin. That keyboard would de-materialize right from under your fingers, like Michael J. Fox's image faded from family photos in "Back to the Future".


14 posted on 12/28/2005 11:02:31 AM PST by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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Damadian was the first to realize and publish in science literature the fact that MRI would show a difference between normal and cancerous tissue, making it medically useful.

He was the first to take MRI scans of lab animals proving this.

He was the first to build an MRI machine capable of scanning a human torso.

He was the first to publish scans of a human MRI.

Lauterbur and Mansfield refined the technique to improve the clarity of imaging. A necessary advance, but they were uninvolved with these other steps.

Damadian was completely passed over for the Nobel for "inventing" the MRI. Anyone who thinks this was not a case of blatant discrimination is kidding themselves in light of the facts above. When Darwinian fundamentalists argue that no Nobel prize winners are biblical creationists, point out that's like saying there are no black leaders in the KKK.

More on Damadian's work and the ignoble Nobel

15 posted on 12/28/2005 11:03:55 AM PST by Liberty1970
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Interesting.

I doubt you will be spared the flames, flame-baiting, and the obligatory likenings to the Taliban and what-not.


16 posted on 12/28/2005 11:04:17 AM PST by AZ_Cowboy (Merry Christmas! Happy Hanukkah to our Jewish Freepers, too!)
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"Just so we're clear: you are seriously claiming that no "evolutionists" have made significant contributions to science?"

Not at all. Evolution is rich in explanatory power (It's useful in understanding earth history, for example), just not that valuable to most people. Can anyone name a single technological development remotely comparable in value to the MRI, which resulted directly from application of evolution? Physics has given us the transistor, nuclear energy, the electron microscope, etc. etc. Chemistry has yielded drugs. Genetics has produced better crops. All of those developments would have happened if evolution had never been discovered.


17 posted on 12/28/2005 11:10:05 AM PST by hellbender
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Organic food enthusiasts are, in essence, creationists, because they believe that food as it exists in "nature" is the most perfect food for human consumption. That could only be true if it were designed that way by some higher intellegence.

Darwinists, on the other hand, would say that food as it exists in nature has evolved in such a way as to maximize the likelihood that the particular food with survive, without any concern for whether it is healthy for humans or not.


18 posted on 12/28/2005 11:10:10 AM PST by Flash Bazbeaux ("I'll have the moo goo gai pan without the pan, and some pans.")
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What predictions does intelligent design make?

It generally predicts organized matter that behaves according to predictable laws will be found.

What experiements or observations would confirm or disprove it?

Nearly every scientific experiement and observation on this planet has confirmed it to date. The discovery of black holes may call into question the ubiquitous presence of intelligent design, but even black holes may serve a purpose. The ultimate disproof of intelligent design would be for all particle matter to disintegrate into nothing.

Scince science is speculative in nature, science is free to posit intelligent design as a reasonable explanation for organized matter that behaves according to predictable laws.

19 posted on 12/28/2005 11:13:47 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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Oh, oh ... looks like Creationists aren't nuts after all! It is the reverse that is true ...

The reverse would be: Nuts are Creationists.


jas3
20 posted on 12/28/2005 11:17:03 AM PST by jas3
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