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INTELLIGENT DESIGN: Teaching children the truth [Cal Thomas gets it]
Miami Herald ^ | 28 December 2005 | CAL THOMAS

Posted on 12/28/2005 3:49:52 AM PST by PatrickHenry

US. District Judge John E. Jones III's decision to bar the teaching of ''intelligent design'' in the Dover, Pa., public school district on grounds that it is a thinly veiled effort to introduce a religious view of the world's origins is welcome for at least two reasons.

First, it exposes the sham attempt to take through the back door what proponents have no chance of getting through the front door. Jones rebuked advocates of ''intelligent design,'' saying they repeatedly lied about their true intentions. He noted that many of them had said publicly that their intent was to introduce into the schools a biblical account of creation. Jones properly wondered how people who claim to have such strong religious convictions could lie, thus violating prohibitions in the book that they proclaim as their source of truth and standard for living.

Culture has long passed by advocates of intelligent design, school prayer and numerous other beliefs and practices that were once tolerated, even promoted, in public education. People who think that they can reclaim the past have been watching too many repeats of Leave it to Beaver on cable television. Those days are not coming back anytime soon, if at all.

Culture, including the culture of education, now opposes what it once promoted or at least tolerated. The secular left, which resists censorship in all its forms when it comes to sex, library books and assigned materials that teach the ''evils'' of capitalism and ''evil America,'' is happy to censor any belief that can be tagged ``religious.''

Jones' ruling will be appealed and after it is eventually and predictably upheld by a Supreme Court dominated by Republican appointees (Jones was named to the federal bench by President Bush, who has advocated the teaching of creation), those who have tried to make the state do its job for them will have yet another opportunity to wise up.

This leads to the second reason for welcoming Jones' ruling. It should awaken religious conservatives to the futility of trying to make a secular state reflect their beliefs. Too many people have wasted too much time and money since the 1960s, when prayer and Bible reading were outlawed in public schools, trying to get these and a lot of other things restored. The modern secular state should not be expected to teach Genesis 1, or any other book of the Bible, or any other religious text.

That the state once did such things, or at least did not undermine what parents taught their children, is irrelevant. The culture in which we now live no longer reflects the beliefs of our grandparents' generation.

For better, or for worse (and a strong case can be made that things are much worse), people who cling to the beliefs of previous generations have been given another chance to do what they should have been doing all along.

Religious parents should exercise the opportunity that has always been theirs. They should remove their children from state schools with their ''instruction manuals'' for turning them into secular liberals and place them in private schools -- or home school them -- where they will be taught the truth, according to their parents' beliefs. Too many parents who would never send their children to a church on Sunday that taught doctrines they believed to be wrong have had no problem placing them in state schools five days a week where they are taught conflicting doctrines and ideas.

Private schools or home schooling costs extra money (another reason to favor school choice) and extra time, but what is a child worth? Surely, a child is more valuable than material possessions.

Our children are our letters to the future. It's up to parents to decide whether they want to send them ''first class'' or ``postage due.''

Rulings such as this should persuade parents who've been waffling to take their kids and join the growing exodus from state schools into educational environments more conducive to their beliefs.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: calthomas; creationism; crevolist; intelligentdesign; schools; scienceeducation
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To: JamesP81
If you had read the link relating to the study of the Hebrew used in Genesis, you would see why the two are incompatible.

Yeah. And the Pope and Catholic church has never studied the Bible in the original Hebrew so they disagree with you [/sarc].

As I said, some people believe Christian creationism is a myth, and choose not to believe anything in the Bible based on this. This is the definition of a stumbling block.

If you interpret Genesis in a way compatible with the reality we find around us, then that is a *lack* of a stumbling block. When you interpret Genesis literally, then it *is* a stumbling block.

The reality around is isn't going to go away. You can continue and hide your eyes from it and wallow in your interpretation of Genesis, but that won't make reality any less real.

More than one evo on these threads have expressed their disbelief in the Bible due to this fact.

That would be me.

I was forced to reject God after I was convinced by some on FR that I must accept Genesis as written without reading between the lines. This is why I've claimed that literal translations are bad for faith. Because they force those of us that can't accept the contradictions to pick what we see around us, or an old book.

Got a BS degree in computer science from a secular state university. Studied a good amount of physics to go with it. Nothing I learned about science invalidated what I already knew about God and Bible. Try again.

The biology I know I didn't get from my BS/comp sci. Learning algorithms won't tell you about ERV virus DNA found in human and primate genomes. Try again.

My dad's family has been Bible-believing Christians from well before their ancestors even made the trip to this country.

Mine too. My ancestors were some of the religious leaders of the Massachusetts puritans.

But despite claims otherwise, church doctrine changes. I've seen it personally during my lifetime. The Southern Baptist church I grew up in taught a class at a youth retreat in the early 70's that science and the Bible cannot conflict. That evolution did not conflict with Genesis (which the Catholics still teach). That same church has reversed itself and has accepted anti-science dogma as you have.

That reversal in doctrine was another reason I rejected God. A God that has such limited powers of communication that one can believe almost anything, where there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of Christian denominations, and many thousands of non-Christian faiths isn't a God worthy of believing in.

281 posted on 12/28/2005 12:05:33 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: JamesP81
LOL!! An hour or two a week. Amazing that people believe that. Even the leftwing, theologically unsound churches do better than that.

Three hours then? Four? However many hours my point stands that churches waste huge amounts of money compared to the service they provide. Any church that preaches that the government schools are bad, while doing nothing out of it's general funds to teach children is a hypocritical church.

282 posted on 12/28/2005 12:09:21 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: dread78645

Mothra-Did-It Placemarker


283 posted on 12/28/2005 12:10:39 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: PatrickHenry

I agree that it is past time we understand that the government is not going to abandon the rampant brainwashing in scientism that is going on in the government schools, but that doesn't mean honest people should not gum up government works every time they have a chance, and that includes teaching ID. Or just plain religion. Only a minority of parents will send their kids to private schools when the "free" schools are there. So for the sake of those kids that stay, the public education is to be exposed for the court-ordered indoctrination centers that they are.


284 posted on 12/28/2005 12:11:21 PM PST by annalex
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To: G.Mason
Sadly, many Christians have become members of the NAPPP (National Association of Perpetually Peeved People).

I agree, there are some who want to eliminate any form of religion from our society. That we need to be careful of. But just as serious is those folks who want to impose God on our society rather expose God to the unbelieving.

285 posted on 12/28/2005 12:14:04 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: Quark2005
3) Genetic analysis

You should look up some of Ichneumon's famous posts on the ERV virus DNA segments in the human genome here on FR. I'm not sure how to look up something that detailed, and I don't have the bookmark on this computer. But basically, they've found a couple of thousand retro virus DNA segments common between primate and human genomes. Since those segments are randomly inserted in the genome by infections in a single individual, that's hard core proof of common descent of these several species. The cool thing is that the farther back the species split was, the fewer common segments there are, confirming dating. Further, the older the split, the more random DNA mutations in the "dead" code there, which confirms the species split sequence and dating again.

There haven't been any good public media presented on this subject yet, but the bottom line is that we've added more confirmation of evolution in just the last few years than we've had for the last 150.

It's really pretty exciting. And the claims heard around here of "scientific doubts about evolution mounting", are just so funny. Little do they know.

286 posted on 12/28/2005 12:24:27 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: hawkaw

"Well, first off, creation or I.D. should never be taught in science."

Neither should evoluation. It is, after all, only a theory, and as "far-fetched" as some believe I.D. is.


287 posted on 12/28/2005 12:25:33 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: joesbucks
I have always believed religion to be a private matter, and treat it as such.


Of course, my religion does not (at this point in its history) go about loping off heads and committing acts of terrorism.


Should these present barbaric "religious" sects come close to me and mine, I can see me reverting to a crusade costume (cross and all) and with lance (.223 cal.) in hand, go about the business of preaching forgiveness. ;)

288 posted on 12/28/2005 12:28:42 PM PST by G.Mason (All I said was "Happy Holidays" and I got twelve hundred whiners weeping.)
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To: MayflowerMadam; PatrickHenry
Neither should evoluation. It is, after all, only a theory, and as "far-fetched" as some believe I.D. is.

What do you think PH? Nomination?

289 posted on 12/28/2005 12:32:42 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: narby

That evo-lu-ation is really something!


290 posted on 12/28/2005 12:35:17 PM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: shuckmaster
That evo-lu-ation is really something!

There we go! We have a second.

291 posted on 12/28/2005 12:36:35 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: shuckmaster
That evo-lu-ation is really something!

Yeah, but I hear that it's "only a theory." Darn, that changes everything!

292 posted on 12/28/2005 12:38:33 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


293 posted on 12/28/2005 12:39:44 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: thoughtomator
Sadly, much of the culture does not agree with this. How many couples do you know who elect to remain childless so that they can spend their money on themselves only? I know quite a few.

You think it's sad that some couples choose not to have kids? Or did I misunderstand you?
294 posted on 12/28/2005 12:41:31 PM PST by aNYCguy
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To: MamaB

Thankfully the "whole language" bad habit can be reversed. From what I read, it seems to harm boys more than girls. No wonder there's declining reading ability in this country.


295 posted on 12/28/2005 12:43:10 PM PST by Varda
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To: bvw

I thought the same thing about geometry..... AND I WAS RIGHT! :)


296 posted on 12/28/2005 12:44:46 PM PST by linda_22003
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To: Varda
Even kids interested in real science are better off in a good private school that teaches creationism. I sent my kid to a private school like that and he's doing just fine as a science major in college.

Clearly, he's not a biology major.
297 posted on 12/28/2005 12:52:15 PM PST by aNYCguy
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To: PatrickHenry
I will never understand the mind of supposedly reverent people who would presume to limit the mechanisms of creation available to the Creator. It doesn't detract one whit from the majesty of creation to understand how sedimentary rock was laid down or to understand how coal was formed or to understand any of the natural processes that are at work to this day. The simple truth is that evolution is a fact. Evolution describes the way life has achieved variety. It does not discuss, nor can it discuss, how original life formed. It does not discuss, nor can it discuss, the Big Bang theory. It does discuss how life, acted upon by exigencies, responds with adaptations. That's it.

It doesn't take a genius to realize that Genesis isn't a biology text nor is it a history text. It is neither disproved nor belittled because humans have filled in the blanks. To assume otherwise is to be guilty of hubris and sinful pride but very few overly proud people ever see themselves as such.

298 posted on 12/28/2005 12:54:53 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: muir_redwoods

Too rational.


299 posted on 12/28/2005 12:58:03 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: longshadow

300


300 posted on 12/28/2005 12:58:10 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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