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Green Bay Packers Football vs. Christmas (WI)
Madison.com via AP Wire ^ | December 21, 2005 | Robert Imrie

Posted on 12/21/2005 1:21:27 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

(Demand for tickets down for Bears game Sunday...)

With the Green Bay Packers coming off a woeful loss to Baltimore and about to play their first-ever Christmas Day game at Lambeau Field, some fans and brokers report declining demand for tickets - even though Sunday's opponent is the archrival Chicago Bears.

Longtime season ticket-holder William Swetlik of Green Bay has two tickets for sale - at face value - for a Bears game he hates to miss.

"Christmas Day is for Christ, not for football, and for my family," he said. "I want to be home with the kids. We have grandchildren coming from out of town. I want to visit with them for the day. That is the most important thing."

"I can't imagine why they scheduled it that way," he said. "As far as I am concerned, I wouldn't go to any football game on Christmas Day."

The Packers (3-11) take on Chicago (10-4) at 4 p.m. Sunday in one of two NFL games being played on Christmas Day. The other features Minnesota at Baltimore, beginning at 7:30 p.m.

It's the first time in Packers history that the team has played on Christmas Day, said Mark Wagner, director of ticket operations.

Still, he expects a full house, more than 70,000 fans, to attend the game.

"We are preparing for a normal Sunday game," Wagner said. "It would surprise me greatly if we did have a lot of no-shows, unless there was a snowstorm or something."

There were more complaints last year when the Packers played in Minnesota on Christmas Eve, Wagner said.

But there is evidence of reduced interest in Sunday's game, he said.

The Bears returned 75 tickets out of their allotment of 500, Wagner said. "We have been getting rid of the ones that we have gotten in here so that's a good sign. We have been selling them."

Josh Anderson, manager of Ticket King, a Green Bay ticket broker, said sales for Sunday's game were slow Tuesday and he wasn't surprised, especially with the disappointment of the Packers' 48-3 loss to Baltimore on Monday.

For many people, Christmas Day is for families, and that hurts demand for tickets, especially with the Packers hardly playing like an elite NFL team, he said.

"We definitely are getting a lot of people trying to sell tickets," Anderson said.

Last year, the Packers played the Bears at Lambeau in September. "It was the biggest game we had all year," said Anderson, who will spend Christmas Day on Sunday sharing dinner with his fiancee rather than attending the game.

Frank Hickey, owner of Fox River Tickets of De Pere, said the fact the Bears-Packers game is on Christmas Day hurts sales "big time."

"I think the NFL should be ashamed of itself," he said. "I am buying tickets below face value and selling at about face value or above, depending on the quality of the tickets."

Hickey said he has bought $67 tickets for $40, and sales are off 50 percent compared with a normal rivalry game like the Bears.

He said some men calling about tickets ask about prices then say they will check with their wives but never call back.

"I knew it would be like this last April when the schedule came out," he said. "I don't know how you can put a game on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day. There should be Christmas music on."

Calvary Lutheran Church is about a half-mile north of Lambeau Field. The pastor, the Rev. Gail Sowell, said the late afternoon game should cause no problems for her church. Her last Christmas Day service is at 10:30 a.m.

"I am not in favor of having football games on Christmas Day but at least logistically for us, it is not as bad as Christmas Eve," she said. "It is just the idea of playing football on the day of Jesus' birth. I think a lot of people are just offended by the principle of it."

"I was offered tickets and turned them down," Sowell said.

Swetlik, 55 and a season ticketholder since 1979, has two tickets in row eight of section 14 for sale for $59 each.

He expects to sell them. "But who knows. It is going to be Christmas Day," he said.

According to Anderson, there's one factor for Sunday's game that could spurred have more demand for the tickets and counter some of the emotion of Christmas Day football.

If quarterback Brett Favre had announced earlier that he was retiring, ticket prices would "go through the roof, sales would go through the roof; exactly what you would expect," the ticket broker said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Illinois; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: bears; chicago; chicagobears; christmas; christmas2011; christmasday; greenbaypackers; illinois; nfl; packers; wisconsin
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To: revtown

Exactly.


21 posted on 12/21/2005 1:44:05 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Borges

I think Favre may decide it is time to retire after Sunday when he contemplates having to face that defense twice a year since it is only going to get better.


22 posted on 12/21/2005 1:45:42 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

>>>"Christmas Day is for Christ, not for football, and for my family

Well, technically, every Sunday is for Christ and for family.


23 posted on 12/21/2005 1:47:24 PM PST by NC28203
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To: DarthVader
Yeah, but they were playing the Packers. That's like saying, they looked great against insert CFL team here. :-D
24 posted on 12/21/2005 1:51:19 PM PST by rattrap
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Longtime season ticket-holder William Swetlik of Green Bay has two tickets for sale - at face value - for a Bears game he hates to miss.... I can't imagine why they scheduled it that way," he said. "As far as I am concerned, I wouldn't go to any football game on Christmas Day."

Considering that the schedule's been out since before the season began, and he still has the tickets (Bears/Packers!), I would hazard a guess that he had every intention of going to this game until Green Bay flat out sucked this year. If he really never had any intent on seeing this game, he could have sold the tickets (for a good price!) back in August.

25 posted on 12/21/2005 1:52:16 PM PST by kevkrom ("Zero-sum games are transactions mostly initiated by thieves and governments." - Walter Williams)
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To: MplsSteve
However this year, I have to commit the unthinkable. I'm rooting for the Bears to beat Green Bay.

Me too. I'm hoping the Packers win the Reggie Bush lottery.
26 posted on 12/21/2005 1:53:45 PM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: All

Packers versus Christmas? The Packers would lose against Groundhog Day, Armistice Day, Canadian Independence Day, you name it.


27 posted on 12/21/2005 1:56:39 PM PST by Luke21 (Political correctness is the insane religion of our rulers.)
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To: MarkeyD

"See the Bears bury the Packers would be a great Christmas present for me!"


Well then, methinks you're in for a great Christmas!


28 posted on 12/21/2005 2:09:32 PM PST by Blzbba ("Shop Smart. Shop S-Mart" - Ashe, Housewares)
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To: DarthVader

"The Vikings are going to get eaten by the Ravens on Sunday. They looked great in every aspect of the game against the Packers."


Yeah, but it's easy to look great vs GB this year. Those were some of the worst throws Favre has made since...well, the previous game, actually.


29 posted on 12/21/2005 2:10:37 PM PST by Blzbba ("Shop Smart. Shop S-Mart" - Ashe, Housewares)
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To: KarlInOhio
Soil Warming System: Installed in 1997 to replace original system, put in by Vince Lombardi for 1967 season (failed during the Ice Bowl); current system contains more than 30 miles of radiant heating pipe, which maintains a root-zone temperature of 70-plus degrees during winter months.

I have a small piece of the original heating system

30 posted on 12/21/2005 2:11:36 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I don't see being a Packer Fan and being a Christian to be mutually exclusive things!

Do they still have a "Bishop's Charities" game during the preseason?

31 posted on 12/21/2005 2:20:03 PM PST by Freebird Forever (If they're truly public servants, why do they live in the mansions?)
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To: Borges
Come Monday it's back to the Toilet Paper factory.

LOL. Yup. That's Wisconsin.

32 posted on 12/21/2005 2:20:31 PM PST by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty)
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To: Borges

He has what, 5 games worth of NFL experience now? I wouldn't bet on the offense being considerably better. Better, just not considerably better, IMHO.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the bears win it all and have their defense destroy everyone in their way.

Since my team is out of it now, I'm pulling for the bears. Sorry, but that is usually the kiss of death for any team ;)


33 posted on 12/21/2005 2:27:17 PM PST by SengirV
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
some fans and brokers report declining demand for tickets

Being that season tickets have been on a sold out basis since 1960 and that the waiting list for them is some 25 years long (estimated of course), I would offer that this article is an example of spin and is limited to a game or two right now especially related to the holiday itself. Packers have had many losing seasons alongside many winnning ones and the fans have always been there to root their team on. Anyone that would even imply that support for the packers by their fans is declining has not spent too much time in Wisconsin, much less Green Bay. There simply are no better fans out there in the arena of professional football.
34 posted on 12/21/2005 2:27:39 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: mikethevike
That just gets classier and classier every time I see it.

Quite the horse to which you've hitched your wagon. And that bozo's not even there anymore. You should be proud.

35 posted on 12/21/2005 2:27:43 PM PST by brewcrew
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To: BlueStateDepression

"There simply are no better fans out there in the arena of professional football."

Amen to that! :)

We're also the only PUBLICLY OWNED football team in the NFL, and probably will always be the only one. I know I'm not selling my shares. Ever. So don't even ask. ;)

My first two Superbowl Wins were when I was a child. I had to wait until I was in my 30's for the next one.

By the time my kid is 30, I'm expecting another Victory Year, LOL!


36 posted on 12/21/2005 2:32:50 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
As for the bowl win you waited for, being that I am a die hard (that indeed has died hard the last few years) 49 er fan, all I will say right now is DESMOND HOWARD can BITE ME LOL.

I am a born cheesehead myself and there is simply no way to understand the volume of support that folks have for the packers wether they are winning or losing unless you have seen it with your own eyes.

All it takes to see the reality is go to Green Bay during a home game (sheesh, alot of wisconsin) and see how things are kinda lonely. Why is this the case? Cuz everyone is watching their packers at the bar or their home or at the field!
37 posted on 12/21/2005 2:53:56 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

just once I(Bear fan) would like to see our teams meet at relatively the same strength

it seems that at any given year when one team is dominant, the other is not

that said , I'd like to butter my biscuits at Christmas dinner with Bret Fartves bones ;)


38 posted on 12/21/2005 3:29:16 PM PST by daku (Islam , a religion of peace ... Liar liar, France on fire)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

I went to another Christmas day game long ago and the Chiefs even lost, but I am glad I went. It was the famous 6 quarter longest game where Miami beat the Chiefs. The family about disowned us. I yelled so much I lost my voice for a day and a half after the game.


39 posted on 12/21/2005 3:33:21 PM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Christmas Day is for Christ, not for football

I don't know about Christ, but if someone offers to take me to the game on my birthday I would be honored.

40 posted on 12/21/2005 3:37:38 PM PST by AmusedBystander
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