Posted on 12/21/2005 5:17:48 AM PST by Nextrush
Judge Jones in his ruling yesterday took the route of upholding precedent. He's the latest in a long string of judges who have made reference to the 20th Century flat earth concept of "separation of church and state." The modern perversion of the U.S. Constitution began with Supreme Court Justice Hugo 'KKK' Black's ruling against public support of Catholic schools in 1947.
I guess one can say this is what makes a Republican appointed judge like Jones different from the Democrat ones. Liberal judges defy the law and try to change it in our face like ruling the Pledge of Allegience unconstitutional or that terror suspects at Gitmo have the same rights as U.S. citizens. Or they even resign from boards to put political pressure on the president like has been reported this morning.
Some senators like Arlen Specter have stated to much consternation, controversy and after the fact correction of their remarks that Supreme Court nominees like John Roberts and Samuel Alito believe in precedents like "Roe vs. Wade." Lets hope this is not the case and that some precedents like "separation of church and state" will be put on the scrap heap of history they rightly belong on.
There was no way that the Dover School Board could have won this case with the false notion of "separation of church and state" as a precedent in a 1987 Supreme Court ruling dealing with creationism.
As regards the misleading of the court by the now ex-school board members in this trial, I take seriously the commandment "Thou shalt not bear false witness." I also take seriously the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" but I believe in killing in self-defense, the death penalty and killing in war. It seems appropriate to me that in fighting the ACLU in this culture war case, deception is not sin.
The world around us looks at things in a legalistic way. Jesus was not a legalist. Modern day Pharisees and Saducees may throw their stones at them, but I repeat the words "Let he who has no sin cast the first stone." Modern day Christians have lied to save lives, smuggle Bibles into Communist countries, and to be missionaries in Muslim countries.
Ultimately the ex-school board members and all of us will answer to a higher authority than Judge Jones.
By the way, when the leader of "The Flat Earth Society" died a while back his devotees traveled out on the ocean in a ship, and tossed his remains ....... over the edge.
Who cares?
Vanity in Frontpage News alert.
This post is worthy of a comment in a thread... sheesh. What would happen if we all posted our comments in Front Page News?
flexible morality noted.
That's what cost Rather his job. Had Dan come on the air 3 days after Memogate and said, "we may have gotten it wrong," all would have been forgiven by the masses, then it would have been over.
It's not just TV or news in general. Has Clinton said, early on "I screwed up. i DID have sex with Ms. Lewinski. I shamed myself, my family and my country," it would have been over in 10 days.
Truth works, and the absence of truth teaches others to never trust us about anything, anytime.
>This post is worthy of a comment in a thread... sheesh. What would happen if we all posted our comments in Front Page News?
We would all be DU posters?
There is no excuse for lying in court. My guess is that if it was done, then there'd be legal repercussion for false swearing. If that is the case, then we would expect to see indictments. If we don't, then there probably wasn't lying.
>If that is the case, then we would expect to see indictments.
Perjury indictments very rare. You need to prove intent. It's usually enough that the verdict in the original matter goes against the perjurer.
And properly so. The Catholic Church should support its own schools without violating one of the Ten Commandments.
So you think Clinton (who wasn't indicted) was probably teling the truth?
Some common sense in this thread:
"The First Amendment does not demand a wall of separation between church and state."
"For too long they have been lectured like children by those in the ACLU and elsewhere who claim to know what the people's Constitution really means."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1544226/posts
Precisely. If there was no intent, then there was no lying.
I think that Clinton's case did go before a Grand Jury, didn't it? There was cause to consider it.
He also lost his ability to practice before the Supreme Court. I think it was over the perjury.
Segregation was ruled "legal" and within the Constitution several times by the USSC. All because of "precedent" until they finally got it right.
He was lying. The judge himself interrupted questioning to blatantly call him on it. Of course, in spin-speak, he didn't lie, just "misspoke."
Excellent. Let's lie to further God's truth.
Equating what was done on the stand in Dover with missionary work in hostile environments is patently absurd. What was said on the stand, IMHO, was done to save face, not to further God's message. They risked nothing more than their place on the school board, Christian missionaries in Muslim countries risk their lives.
The judge must have decided otherwise, or the guy would be indicted, wouldn't he?
Atheism is a faith as much as any other. Agnosticism says "don't know".
Those who are certain that there is no god and want Him removed from public view are pushing their own "no god" God down our throats.
Whether there is discussion of the mechanisms by which a creator designed the universe or not is irrelevant, we'll never be able to say with any certainty how things happened. Can we create life from basic components? Not taking egg and sperm, but carbon, et al?
For science to insist that God played NO ROLE in the creation of the universe is to institutionalize that there is no god. If God had no role, all of this expansion surely must have come as a surprise to Him. How did God evolve into being? Or is science adamant in saying that He doesn't exist?
Beware of Atheism and State, the defacto state sponsored religion.
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