You'd look less foolish if you actually read the article, first.
Posted on 12/19/2005 1:53:38 PM PST by Cinnamon
This isn't just partisanship. The Democrats have actively gone over to giving aid to the enemy.
Oh My God! Too many facts!
The NYT can't be bothered with this.
Bookmark for later, more close, reading.
"The Democrats have actively gone over to giving aid to the enemy."
Another example: Democratic AG Clark is the lead lawyer defending Saddam Hussein.
They hate America.
Sorry, but the government has gone overboard here and is probably in violation of the law. See we have a Bill of Rights that precludes spying on citizens without a warrant.
Really? So if Saddam Hussein didn't have an attorney, that would still be a fair trial?
That's about as smart as saying that defense attorneys in the U.S. love crime.
"Sorry, but the government has gone overboard here and is probably in violation of the law. See we have a Bill of Rights that precludes spying on citizens without a warrant."
there is an exception to that - if the citizen is functioning as an enemy agent. But if any of these citizens were not enemy agents then there would be a problem . But we will never know because they can't release the intelligence. It's more of an election issue than anything else.
Perhaps you should read before commenting.
Take it to DU.
You'd look less foolish if you actually read the article, first.
"This isn't just partisanship. The Democrats have actively gone over to giving aid to the enemy."
Don't forget Arlen Specter. It's not just the Democrats, but RINOs as well, that have jumped on this bandwagon.
"there is an exception to that - if the citizen is functioning as an enemy agent. But if any of these citizens were not enemy agents then there would be a problem . But we will never know because they can't release the intelligence. It's more of an election issue than anything else"
NO. There are no "exceptions" to the Bill of Rights just because the President says so. That's the whole purpose of a warrant, to provide a check on the executive by requiring some type of evidence that the "citizen is functioning as an enemy agent."
Saddam has competent Iraqi attorneys.
Clark, who has no knowledge of Iraqi law, volunteered in order to hurt this Administration's efforts in Iraq --- there's no other reason for his actions, and you know it.
Exactly right and the Republicans need to bulldog these facts to the American public and play the clips of these Democrats saying treasonous things. Also trying to sabotage our ability to defend ourself.
The Democrats have provided opposition Republicans with unprecedented media of them being traitors and it should all be used to remove their worthless butts from office.
The President should again and again go to the American people and tell them to call, write and Email the traitors and to threaten their removal. (biweekly fireside chats time)
"See we have a Bill of Rights that precludes spying on citizens without a warrant."
No, it does not. When applicable, it merely makes the date inadmissible in a criminal proceeding.
Further, the wiretaps are specifically authorized by FISA Article 1802.
Here:
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins200512190859.asp
"Saddam has competent Iraqi attorneys."
So by your logic those attorneys "hate America?"
"Clark, who has no knowledge of Iraqi law,"
There is no Iraqi law written dealing with mass murder and oppression, or crimes against humanity. Who would that have applied to pre-liberation?
"volunteered in order to hurt this Administration's efforts in Iraq"
Do tell, how do his efforts hurt the Administration's efforts in Iraq? I'm no fan of Clark, but he deserves recognition and respect for stepping to to assist US in getting Saddam Hussein a real trial so we can do this right.
Read paragraph 5 again, carefully.
What who said that this activity was targeting citizens?
Did you have some classified information leaked to you that we are not privy to?
"NO. There are no "exceptions" to the Bill of Rights just because the President says so. That's the whole purpose of a warrant, to provide a check on the executive by requiring some type of evidence that the "citizen is functioning as an enemy agent."
Wiretapping is illegal under a specific Federal law, not the bill of rights. There is indeed an exception for enemy agents. But If any of the citizens was not an agent then it does appear to be illegal.
But then again, anybody who thinks international phone calls are private is is really misinformed to start with.
My concern in the current case is with Alberto Gonzalos' justification of the tapping - that the war powers act made it ok. That is absurd but following that logic then are all kinds of other laws that the President would no longer have to follow.
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