9/11-Style Attacks Foiled by Patriot Act

NewsMax ^ | December 17, 2005 | Carl Limbacher

[shield]

I understand we've already got much of the Patriot Act legislation...this act goes after terrorist...why are we just hearing about this act...and not other legislation that's as intrusive?

[Shalom Israel]

Don't deal drugs, no forfeiture. I don't get your point.

You clearly don't. People are forfeiting their assets without being convicted of dealing drugs--and in fact, without any traces of drugs in their possession whatsoever. So what you mean to say is, "Don't deal drugs, forfeit your car anyway."

[Shalom Israel]

Actually, the fourth amendment was pretty much dead twenty years ago. There ain't much left, regardless of the "Patriot Act".

Agreed there.

And by the 1940s, there were a whole lot of laws on the books regarding the jews that they had no freedoms by that time, either.

This time around it's the Christians.

[Shalom Israel]

Roving wiretaps are a good thing, and they are in no way a violation of the fourth amendment. Due process is still required. Warrants are still required. The only difference is that the warrant is to follow a ~person~ instead of a device.

It's theoretically possible to conduct roving wiretaps in a manner consistent with the fourth amendment, but today they aren't. The fourth amendment requires that warrants "particularly describe the place to be searched." A roving wiretap provides a warrant that specifically permits searching "anywhere X might go." It's the fourth amendment equivalent of issuing a warrant that permits police to search any building the target enters, including neighbors' houses, business establishments, workplaces, etc.

[Christian4Bush]

The prevention of these are what Dingy Harry just bragged about killing. (the original story is still in the sidebar)

[Experiment 6-2-6]

Hmm. When they start passing laws that Christians can't attend law school, that's when the "Patriot Act" has gone to far..

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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The Man Who Predicted 9/11:

Lifetime Lifesaving Hero RICK RESCORLA, R.I.P.

http://www.RickRescorla.com

http://www.strategyzoneonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361

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[Shalom Israel]

Hmm. When they start passing laws that Christians can't attend law school...

There's an important distinction to keep in mind. German antisemitism was racist, and demanded that Jews be removed from the gene pool. Moden anti-christian sentiment is not racist, and doesn't involve killing anyone. The goal is to prevent the transmission of christian beliefs, both to between people and between generations. Preventing spread between people makes christianity stop growing; preventing inter-generational transmission makes it begin to shrink.

To accomplish that goal, it suffices to place obstacles in the way of obeying or expressing one's faith, while providing tempting alternatives with fewer obstacles. That's why the first amendment suddenly bans religious expression, but protects pornography as sacrosanct.

As for christians becoming lawyers: they can. But before receiving high court appointments, they must solemnly swear that they will leave their faith behind when they put on their robes.

[steve-b]

Come back with a bill aimed squarely at terrorist, and include a provision to bar anyone (and their supervisors) who uses the act for any other purpose, from ever receiving a cent from taxpayers. No pay check, no pension, nothing.

Nonsense. Anyone who uses these tools for any other purpose than lawful terrorism investigation should get three meals a day, and a 6' x 10' space nicely set off by concete and steel, from the taxpayers.

[steve-b]

The alleged "hijacking" plots subsequent to 9/11 don't pass the giggle test. That plan just can't work now that the old assumption (a hijacker is a clown who wants a free ride to Cuba, and the smart thing for passengers to do is nothing) has been replaced by the new one (a hijacker is a terrorist who intends to kill everyone on board, and the smart thing for the passengers to do is rush him and stomp him into gelatin).

Only somebody who believes DUmmie conspiracy theories about what "really happened" on Flight 93 could buy these claims.

[txhurl]

I'm worried about the 9/11-style near-miss-attacks NOT prevented by the Patriot Act.