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Bush Accepts McCain's Ban on Torture
Associated Press ^ | 12/15/05 | jamese777

Posted on 12/15/2005 10:05:55 AM PST by jamese777

White House Agrees to McCain Torture Ban Move Comes After House and Senate Back Language By LIZ SIDOTI, AP

WASHINGTON (Dec. 15) - After months of resistance, the White House has agreed to accept Sen. John McCain's call for a law specifically banning cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of foreign suspects in the war on terror, several congressional officials said Thursday.

The congressional officials spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they did not want to pre-empt an expected announcement later in the day at the White House, possibly by President Bush and McCain.

These officials also cautioned the agreement was encountering opposition in the House from Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee.

Wednesday, in a symbolic move, the House endorsed the Senate-passed ban. Approved 308-122, the procedural vote in the House puts political pressure on negotiators - but does not require them - to include the ban and another provision standardizing interrogation techniques used by U.S. troops in a final wartime military spending bill.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; americaloses; mccain; torturebill
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To: oceanview

Where are the real Americans?


41 posted on 12/15/2005 11:02:08 AM PST by samadams2000 (Nothing fills the void of a passing hurricane better than government)
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To: TChris

this is tied to the entire defense bill. and have you seen how few republican senators oppose it? the veto is not going to work.


42 posted on 12/15/2005 11:02:33 AM PST by oceanview
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To: jamese777

McCain wins. America loses.


43 posted on 12/15/2005 11:05:57 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: jamese777

Has anyone seen the final agreement, other than what the MSM is reporting?

If so please post the link, or are we satisfied with rumors and the word of the Liberal media?


44 posted on 12/15/2005 11:08:01 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: samadams2000

we have to face some issues here:

- the white house has been on defense on this whole "torture" issue since day one - and in politics, when you are on defense, you are losing. they allowed the media to define "torture" as anything but Ritz Carlton level accomodations for terrorists. McCain wants only one thing - to be president - he doesn't care about anything else. he sees the political wind on this, that the sheeple whose votes he needs have been duped into believing every US military and CIA agent is routinely torturing people, so he makes his move. there is no one to the right of him on this, George Allen voted for this bill also, so he doesn't even fear this as an issue in the primaries.

McCain has nothing to lose here, that's his political calculation.


45 posted on 12/15/2005 11:08:26 AM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

Yeah but I want a real President. 3 more years of Mr. Softie and I will go insane. We have the Presidency now and both houses. Whats that done for me? Donut hole.


46 posted on 12/15/2005 11:14:18 AM PST by samadams2000 (Nothing fills the void of a passing hurricane better than government)
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To: liberty_lvr

Hah hah ha....

I resort to personal attacks....

Stop Crying.


47 posted on 12/15/2005 11:14:56 AM PST by The_Republican
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To: TheForceOfOne

the article has many specifics, get this one:

"The most specific interrogation guidelines - for example, how long detainees can be forced to sit or stand in certain positions - are included in a classified section of the document, which is being reviewed by Pentagon officials."

can you believe this? the enemy can fly planes into buildings, but we can't force them to sit or stand for too long. I imagine there are other issues about the temperature of their holding cells, how often they get showers - all spelled out by law, and soon the ACLU and the courts.

We need to close Gitmo now as soon as possible. Close it up, its over, we longer need to hold those people there. For what?

The new policy should be - kill these people when you find them. Or if you need information, capture them and interrogate them vigourosly for a period of 1-2 days, then kill them to cover the trail before some federal judge issues a habeas order for them. this is how the CIA is going to have to operate now - Jack Bauer style.


48 posted on 12/15/2005 11:15:20 AM PST by oceanview
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To: Hank Rearden
Sure looks that way.

McCain is way too creepy to win. And he has baggage, such as how he treated his first wife. And is present one isn't exactly perfect First Lady material.

49 posted on 12/15/2005 11:16:01 AM PST by Dante3
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To: The_Republican
The problem is these naive goofballs DEFINITION of torture, "degrading" treatment, etc.

These demonRAT and RINO DOLTS (and weak republicans who cave in to them - are you listening George?) are DANGEROUS to our national security, and put our military personnel in danger as well.

They MAY have ONCE been "heroes". Now, they have sold it down the river for political expediency, selfishness, vanity, etc.

F**K the dangerous, un-American bastards.

50 posted on 12/15/2005 11:17:32 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: oceanview
Are you talking about was McPain proposed or what has been agreed to in writing in a final agreement that you can produce?

Is so post the link please.
51 posted on 12/15/2005 11:17:39 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: dalight
It ought to be OPEN SEASON ON RINOS anyway...

And with no bag limit.

52 posted on 12/15/2005 11:19:49 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: TheForceOfOne

was = what


53 posted on 12/15/2005 11:19:51 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: Hank Rearden

There is no such thing as Bush jr. In order to be a Jr, you have to have the exact name as the Sr. George Herbert Walker Bush (Bush 41) is not the same name as George Walker Bush(Bush 43), but then you knew that already. For people that loathe and despise George W Bush they call him Jr as a derogatory slam, and everyone sees right through it. We see the "rats" do it all the time, I rest my case.


54 posted on 12/15/2005 11:19:53 AM PST by samantha (cheer up, the adults are in charge! Soldier in Bucket Brigade Reporting for Duty.)
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To: Paul_N_Lakeside

Bush should not have caved on this...bad mistake.


55 posted on 12/15/2005 11:20:46 AM PST by nyconse
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To: samadams2000

what can I say. many of us have been saying for a long time - the daily political war room battle is essentially the presidency. because if you lose that, you lose the political captital you need to get anything done - especially in a closely divided government and electorate. Reagan knew that, he knew that his #1 mission every day was to frame and communicate a message to the people.

the congress produces mostly cowards, it produces few leaders like Curt Weldon. these cowards only concern themselves with politics, look at the vote totals shown in this article. you want their votes, you've got to win the political war - fought every day, in every news cycle.

the white house has been doing a better job lately (finally), but not enough on this one apparently to get the votes it needs.


56 posted on 12/15/2005 11:20:47 AM PST by oceanview
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To: The_Republican

I can only assume you are kidding...I will never vote for McCain...no better than Hillary.


57 posted on 12/15/2005 11:21:36 AM PST by nyconse
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To: jamese777; All

Can anyone provide a link to this final agreement?


58 posted on 12/15/2005 11:21:54 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: The_Republican
Mcain is probably on Pub who can beat Hitlary.

He is NOT a "pub", but a mongrel RINO that needs to go to Antarctica and take a LONG, ONE-WAY walk on the ice pack.

59 posted on 12/15/2005 11:22:07 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: TheForceOfOne

we will have to see if the points made in the article are fabricated, or not representative of the final wording. I doubt its made up, there hasn't been any groundswell to thwart McCain on this in either House, why should he compromise?


60 posted on 12/15/2005 11:23:10 AM PST by oceanview
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