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The Pentagon Breaks the Islam Taboo--Islam is an ideological engine of war
Frontpagemagazine ^ | 12-14-05 | Paul Sperry

Posted on 12/14/2005 5:26:37 AM PST by SJackson

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To: TomSmedley
Well, Mormons and JWs are cultists, kindly, productive, and wholesome, but still cultists.

Fortunately their "scriptures" don't say to cut the throats of the rest of the world and shout allah akbar.

41 posted on 12/14/2005 6:39:09 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: angkor
Yes, and they are the apostates. The jihadists practice the true essence of the Koran and the Hadiths.

That's exactly the truth. It's amazing how few people are willing to hear the truth even when it's presented to them clearly.

42 posted on 12/14/2005 6:40:38 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Beckwith
it's the fastest growing religion on the planet.

I think this has been debunked, or at least critiqued as being a questionable assertion.

43 posted on 12/14/2005 6:42:02 AM PST by angkor
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To: TomSmedley
Anne Coulter had a three part strategy, articulated two days after her friend Barbara Olson flew into the Pentegon -- "Invade their countries. Kill their leaders. Convert their people to Christianity."

I don't see it likely that this will become the US foreign policy.

There are now whole Kurdish villages populated with Christian converts from Islam.

I know people who have worked with the Kurdish peoples. For the most part, the US is well liked by the Kurds.

And, there is the Turkish example, where a secular elite uses military force to keep Islam bottled up. (Image the USA run by the ACLU on steroids, with guns!)

I'm surprised it's worked as long as it has in Turkey, but it's clearly not a model that can be exported and expected to work elsewhere...too delicate a balance and requires the unique history and conditions of Turkey.

44 posted on 12/14/2005 6:44:36 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: SJackson
Well, DUH!

Your guberment, hard at work overstating the obvious.

45 posted on 12/14/2005 6:54:28 AM PST by paulcissa (Only YOU can prevent liberalism.)
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To: eastforker
Yep. But someone needs to tell Bush who wants everyone to think the Islam is the moral equivalent of Christianity.
46 posted on 12/14/2005 6:55:08 AM PST by Mulch (tm)
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To: Mulch

Not so lately. In his latest speaches he said we are fighting an ideology that wants to take over the world.


47 posted on 12/14/2005 7:00:44 AM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: SJackson
"Strategic themes suggest Islam is radical by nature," according to the briefing, which goes on to cite the 26 chapters of the Quran dealing with violent jihad and the examples of the Muslim prophet, who it says sponsored "terror and slaughter" against unbelievers

A conclusion reached on Free Republic by many of us years ago. - Tom


48 posted on 12/14/2005 7:17:12 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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49 posted on 12/14/2005 7:23:48 AM PST by devolve (<-- (--in a manner reminiscent of Senator Ghengis Kohn--)
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To: SJackson

bttt


50 posted on 12/14/2005 7:23:51 AM PST by kalee
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To: angkor
it's the fastest growing religion on the planet.

I think this has been debunked, or at least critiqued as being a questionable assertion.


Well, it's not the Methodists!
51 posted on 12/14/2005 7:26:05 AM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: SJackson

Awesome post


52 posted on 12/14/2005 7:32:18 AM PST by Cruz
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To: Beckwith; angkor
...it's the fastest growing religion on the planet.

Actually, in terms of percentage growth, Islam is probably the fastest growing. Muslims pump out babies faster than bunnies, new converts are persuaded by violence and intimidation, and the punishment for leaving islam is death.

That's a pretty good formula for growth.

53 posted on 12/14/2005 7:32:50 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: heldmyw
QUOTE: "Western leaders can no longer afford to overlook the "cult characteristics of Islam."

Perhaps a Kool-Aid solution?

They are pretty suicidal, so that would be nice if we could get them to go along with it. If not, the Branch Davidian model should get the job done.

When I see Bradley Fighting Vehicles setting mosques on fire with everybody inside like they did in Waco, I'll start taking the gubmint's efforts more seriously.

54 posted on 12/14/2005 7:38:53 AM PST by Kenton (To my friends who celebrate Jesus' birth, Merry Christmas. To the rest of you, have a nice day off.)
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To: Beckwith
What religion are those 13 million babies born in China every year?

You see, it's a numbers game used by the Muslims as yet another deceptive attempt at self-legitimacy. They'd have you believe it's conversions, which it's not. It's simple birth rates.

If Christian birth rates are dropping or stagnant (as in America or Europe), and Jewish populations insignficant, then that seemingly leaves Muslims and their much higher birth rates with "the fastest growing" religion, since all babies born to Muslim families are Muslims themselves.

But this calculation seems to ignore China, which if nothing else is Buddhist/Confucian/animist. Then add Japan, Korea, SE Asia, etc.

I'd say Buddhists are the "fastest growing religion."

55 posted on 12/14/2005 7:48:47 AM PST by angkor
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To: highlander_UW
I doubted our exit strategy of building a democracy in Iraq (although it's gone far better than I ever expected so far). The problem is, the only way for democracy to flourish is to move people away from Islam...something that seems unlikely for our, or any, government to be able to do. So if they understood this before starting then I wonder at their judgment, if they didn't understand it at the beginning I wonder at their preparation. Of course, at this point we're in with both feet and the only way out MUST be through victory.

Well said.

We didn't go in to Iraq to democratize it, or save the population from Saddam. We thought Saddam was a terrorist threat to us in the long run and we went in to remove that threat. I agree with that approach.

Had Saddam cooperated with us, and brought us in and showed us he had no WMD, Saddam would still be in power and doing business with us, and he and his sons would still be brutalizing the Iraqis and we couldn't care less.

We got an exit break when we uncovered the fact that a lot of so- called Iraqi Muslims are heretics, and infidel collaborators.

I honestly thought our exit would go like this.
Thanks for getting rid of Saddam, and his sons.
Please turn on our water and electricity.
Get out of our country you infidel bastards;and we will start a civil war to settle some old scores amongst ourselves.

But we lucked out as the Iraqis seem more interested in worldly things than in doing God's work.

When the Iraqis didn't turn on us in mass the Muslim outsiders came in to kill us.

Infidels are one thing, worse are infidel collaborators. So the Muslims like Zarqawi won't lose any sleep over killing infidel collaborators. Who would have thought we could be so lucky as to find a country full of Muslim heretics. - Tom

56 posted on 12/14/2005 7:48:51 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: highlander_UW

I have met some interesting "Muslims" in my past. One of my drinking buddies in college was a Shiite Muslim from Lebanon. That guy could put the beer away.


57 posted on 12/14/2005 7:50:39 AM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: SJackson

It goes to show you political correctness costs lives.


58 posted on 12/14/2005 7:57:19 AM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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To: SJackson

"Now for the first time, a key Pentagon intelligence agency involved in homeland security is delving into Islam's holy texts to answer whether Islam is being radicalized by the terrorists or is already radical."

DUHH!!

After the attack on 9-11, the Taliban, Iraq, Spanish Train bombings, Indonesian bombings, London Bombings, riots in Autralia, they are FINALLY considering a "connection> between Islam and terrorism?

When did they hear of Amish, Methodists, Hasiditic Jews, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, animists, or any other religious group behaving like this recently???

Anybody who eveer read the Quran and Haddiths and has the slightest knwledge of Islamic history could provide an accurate response to this inane inquiry within seconds -
YES - THERE IS A CONNECTION BETWEEN ISLAMIC WRITINGS AND TERRORISM.


59 posted on 12/14/2005 8:05:36 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: SJackson

We're going to find out, sooner or later,
If Achmed will pray, to a glowing crater.


60 posted on 12/14/2005 8:06:01 AM PST by Travis McGee
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