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David Warren: The French Connection (How long before Muslims in Canada start to riot?)
Western Standard ^ | December 12, 2005 | David Warren

Posted on 12/13/2005 4:32:39 PM PST by NZerFromHK

One of my American friends asked me this question a couple of weeks ago: "Do you think what is happening in France will happen in Canada?"

Now, I'm not sure the average Canadian would even know what has happened in France, but take it from me, the Islamic Revolution in Europe has begun. Not that the average Canadian (a class which, of course, excludes Western Standard readers) is without an excuse. For if he listens to CBC, he will be under the impression that the rioting has been by "underprivileged French youths." The fact that they had been chanting "Allahou Akhbar!" in each of the several hundred locations where they were torching cars each night, was quite passed over. After all, telling people what is really going on is the fundamental act of political incorrectness.

The short answer is, yes, it will happen here. But you know I prefer long answers.

For the short term, Canada is better off than France in three significant ways. One, the proportion of Muslims in the general population is far lower. Two, they are not overwhelmingly from one subcultural part of the Islamic world (as, North Africa). Three, the opportunities for integration into Canadian society are much higher. We don't have "Muslim ghettoes" anything like what they have in France.

Indeed, Canada still receives large numbers of immigrants from the Middle East who are not Muslim, but instead Christian. Many came here to escape conditions in that Islamic world--where Christians are subjugated under "dhimmi" status, and are increasingly persecuted for their beliefs. (This varies in intensity from country to country, but is nevertheless a real issue from Morocco to Indonesia.) It is hard to guess from census returns, but I would think nearly half of Canada's Arabs are in fact Christian (once it was nearly 100 per cent), and that most would take a grimmer view of the "threat of radical Islam" than any WASP Canadian has ever entertained.

But the reality is that, today, our gates are wide open to an influx of immigrant claimants from every part of the Islamic world. Most of these are economic migrants, who came here because there were no opportunities back home. Many are members of Muslim minorities--Shiites, Sufis, Alowites, Animist-synchretists and others who were themselves persecuted by Sunni Muslim authorities back home. Only a tiny number are of the terrorist disposition, but alas, only a tiny number have to be for Canada to be under a huge terrorist threat; and this number can easily enter the country as part of the refugee flow.

The real problem, as in France, is the second generation. Will they be assimilated into the mainstream of Canadian life, or will they be increasingly separated into economically dysfunctional ghettoes, where the jobless young fall under the spell of fanatical imams and delinquent peers?

The concentrations of Muslims congregating in distinct neighbourhoods of, for example, greater Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto and London, Ont., should be cause for alarm. The lethal combination of Canadian state "multicultural" policies (a reprise on France), with the universal Islamic demand for separate existence under Sharia law, with the current international Muslim vogue for Salafist and Wahabbi puritanism, is almost a guarantee for serious trouble.

Like France, Canada currently lacks the intellectual and moral equipment to grasp the profound contradictions between the cultural norms of Islam, and those we have inherited through the Christian tradition. Our very inability to discuss these conflicts openly makes us defenceless against any future challenge to what we are and how we live. And our proliferating "human rights codes" were almost designed to prevent our waking up.

Example of question: "Is it possible to be both a faithful practising Muslim, and a loyal citizen of the secular Canadian state?" A lot of learned Muslims would say no.

So, yes, in short, we should expect what we are now seeing in Europe to explode, sooner or later, in Canada, too. When, is an open question, but the precedent that has now been set in all the major cities of France will probably make it sooner.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Canada; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
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To the Toryist, centrist and left-leaning Canucks, don't be so smug into thinking that Canada, with its oh-so progressive tolerant multiculturalism and diversity, will stay above the unrest that has plagued Australia or France. Don't forget that over 70% of RCMP's investigations of suspicions of terrorist-related activities surround Montreal, a hotbed of Islamic jihad recruitment.
1 posted on 12/13/2005 4:32:42 PM PST by NZerFromHK
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To: Fair Go; naturalman1975; Dundee; Fred Nerks; Aussie Dasher; Piefloater; NorthOf45; Sam Gamgee; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 12/13/2005 4:38:40 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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To: NZerFromHK
They are the multicultural mix of the world, ask about illegal Chinese too
Canada is worse then Mexico threat wise
3 posted on 12/13/2005 4:41:14 PM PST by Roverman2K
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To: NZerFromHK

[left-leaning Canucks, don't be so smug into thinking that Canada, with its oh-so progressive tolerant multiculturalism and diversity, will stay above the unrest]

I would suggest that is exactly what they think; it is a required state of thinking of the educated foolish liberal left; treaties and endless worthless dialogues that they delight in will always result in the destruction of nations that the politically correct inhabit. It is conceivable that they will be the last to know the truth as armed muslims run them down and cut their head off, as history bears out.
There is none so blind as those who will not see.


4 posted on 12/13/2005 4:45:27 PM PST by kindred (Democrat Party- the Grinch that stole Christmas.Party leader,Ebeneezer Scrooge.)
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To: NZerFromHK

I would agree that Montreal is now more of a threat to America than it was even during the fall of 1776 and the winter and spring of 1777.

Back then, we had the Battle of Valcour Island where our heroic Benedict Arnold saved us by forcing the British fleet back to spend the winter in Montreal...and then we had the British advance the next spring where we were saved by a great PR campaign centering around a girl who got scalped by an indian scout working for the Brits in the woods between Fort Ticonderoga and Saratoga. The PR campaign convinced the farmers in the Albany area (who had daughters of their own) NOT to remain neutral in the coming battle of Saratoga.


5 posted on 12/13/2005 4:52:10 PM PST by GermanBusiness
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To: GermanBusiness

I'm glad we are armed to the teeth.


6 posted on 12/13/2005 4:54:39 PM PST by CAWats (And I will make no distinction between the terrorists and the democrats.)
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To: NZerFromHK

The article failed to mention that Canada will probably have to cope with an influx of young repressed Muslim refugees from downunder. These young men who are the victims of bikini clad Aussie sheilas will assuredly be entitled to refugee status in Canada.


7 posted on 12/13/2005 5:01:13 PM PST by Fair Go
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To: Fair Go

Forgive my ignorance; why "entitled"?


8 posted on 12/13/2005 5:12:20 PM PST by CAWats (And I will make no distinction between the terrorists and the democrats.)
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To: Roverman2K

They are the multicultural mix of the world, ask about illegal Chinese too
Canada is worse then Mexico threat wise

Are you serious ????


9 posted on 12/13/2005 5:13:23 PM PST by newfarm4000n (God Bless America and God Bless Freedom)
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To: NZerFromHK
Maybe the question is: does Canunkistan face the same future as recent events in Australia?
10 posted on 12/13/2005 5:19:39 PM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Fair Go
"The article failed to mention that Canada will probably have to cope with an influx of young repressed Muslim refugees from downunder..."

The Lions of Lebanon, they call themselves. Here, a group sit in the gutter. Hopefully, most will be in jail and won't be going anywhere. But Canada, oh Canada, you can have them all, anytime.

11 posted on 12/13/2005 5:19:47 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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A Lion of Lebanon on his way to the police station. Where would the Canadian bleeding hearts like us to send him?
12 posted on 12/13/2005 5:25:00 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: CAWats

If people are repressed and in fear of their lives I think they are entitled to seek political asylum in other countries under internaional law.


13 posted on 12/13/2005 5:27:03 PM PST by Fair Go
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To: NZerFromHK
This could be you, Canada. That's if you can find 5,000 drunken neo-nazi skinheads to protest muslim harassment. (sarc.)
14 posted on 12/13/2005 5:28:38 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: NZerFromHK
I don't think that there is any problem which I am aware of with the Christian Arabs. There were a number of Arabs in the town I grew up in, all were Christian and, by this point (40 years later), they are petty well totally assimilated into American culture. Now not all cultures are the same. Some are compatible with the USA and some are not. Islamists, be they Arab, African, Southeast Asian, or Central Asian, are not as long as they cling to a religion which demands the conquer, not assimilate.

Personally, I would say the same about a Marxist as I would about an Islamist. Race is irrelevant.

15 posted on 12/13/2005 5:34:29 PM PST by JimSEA (America cannot have an exit strategy from the world.)
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To: Fair Go

"If people are repressed and in fear of their lives I think they are entitled to seek political asylum in other countries under internaional law."

These punks are second or third generation.

But I daresay that's how their parents got here from Lebanon. After they turned Beiruit into a rubble heap.

You must have missed this one:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1538780/posts


16 posted on 12/13/2005 5:36:02 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: NZerFromHK
Seeing as how I don't want to start an international incident, I hereby swear that I shall not cock, aim, and empty the cylinder until the goat-herders start to toss bricks south of the Canadian border.

I'm a helluva guy in that way.


17 posted on 12/13/2005 5:36:39 PM PST by Viking2002 (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: NZerFromHK

Shots fired into cars at carol service
December 14, 2005

SHOTS were fired at teachers' cars, and parents and children were abused at a primary school Christmas carol service in Sydney, the Catholic Church has said.

The Catholic Archbishop of Sydney, George Pell, said people at a service on Monday night at St Joseph the Worker Primary School in Auburn were abused by men of Middle Eastern appearance.

He said shots were also heard and staff yesterday morning found bullet holes in their cars.

No one was hurt.

Cardinal Pell says he is deeply concerned by the targeting of Christmas celebrations for students as young as five and the attack appears to have been motivated by religious intolerance.

Police said yesterday they were investigating the incident, which came on the second day of race-based violence that started with riots at Cronulla on Sunday.

Two damaged cars and cartridges found at the scene will be forensically examined.

Meanwhile, a surf carnival for Sydney's North Cronulla beach this Saturday has been cancelled amid fears that race riots will continue into the weekend.

Surf Life Saving NSW said a large-scale beach carnival had been postponed indefinitely after two days of tension on several city beaches.

Its chief executive, Phil Vanny, said the decision was unfortunate but necessary.

"Given the current levels of tension around Cronulla, the movement wholeheartedly supports the decision made by the branch," he said.

Mr Vanny said many members were worried about travelling to the Sutherland Shire following the outbreaks of violence.

He said the annual surf carnival, which usually attracts 1000 competitors, may be held at a later date.

Volunteers would work with police and the Government to "ensure that the current situation has as little impact on our members as possible".

More than 20 men were charged and dozens were injured after rioting at Cronulla on Sunday and Monday nights.

AAP

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/shots-fired-into-cars-at-carol-service/2005/12/13/1134236063930.html


18 posted on 12/13/2005 5:45:14 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: Fair Go
If people are repressed and in fear of their lives I think they are entitled to seek political asylum in other countries under internaional law.

That's a pretty sweeping statement. Does Canada have to grant asylum because they are entitled to seek asylum...or any other country for that matter? I don't think anyone is entitled to anything.

19 posted on 12/13/2005 5:47:52 PM PST by CAWats (And I will make no distinction between the terrorists and the democrats.)
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To: CAWats

Under various UN conventions countries are expected to give asylum to people in fear of their lives and who can establish genuine refugee status. Australians are forever being told this and condemned for detaining people who arrive illegally until they establish genuine refugee status. If they cannot establish refugee status they are deported.


20 posted on 12/13/2005 5:52:28 PM PST by Fair Go
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