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Europeans outraged at Williams execution [Tookie Stadium]
MSNBC ^ | 12/13/05 | AP

Posted on 12/13/2005 8:44:38 AM PST by minus_273

VIENNA, Austria - California's execution of Stanley Tookie Williams on Tuesday outraged many in Europe who regard the practice as barbaric, and politicians in Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's native Austria called for his name to be removed from a sports stadium in his hometown.

At the Vatican, Pope Benedict XVI's top official for justice matters denounced the death penalty for going against redemption and human dignity.

"We know the death penalty doesn't resolve anything," Cardinal Renato Martino told AP Television News. "Even a criminal is worthy of respect because he is a human being. The death penalty is a negation of human dignity."

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: austria; eurotwitsforkerry; euroweenies; schwarzenegger; stanleywilliams; tookie; worldopinion
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To: minus_273

Strange... Europeans haven't said a word about the four people he slaughtered... must be some of that European "sophistication" we dumb Cowboys just don't understand...


41 posted on 12/13/2005 9:00:28 AM PST by pabianice (I guess)
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To: Mr. K

"We know the death penalty doesn't resolve anything," Cardinal Renato Martino told AP Television News


It is 100% effective! Tookie Williams will never murder
again!


42 posted on 12/13/2005 9:00:41 AM PST by Lucky Lyn (NMRA Rules!!)
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To: minus_273

Now that's good news!


43 posted on 12/13/2005 9:01:30 AM PST by Tax-chick ("You don't HAVE to be a fat pervert to speak out about eating too much and lack of morals." ~ LG)
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To: indcons

You know I can understand the church's position on this issue but at leat they put their money where their mouth is. They also believe abortion is a crime and thus are againt it as well.


44 posted on 12/13/2005 9:01:32 AM PST by bubman
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To: Zhangliqun
Well, Europe, what're ya gonna DO about it? Huh? Huh? ....

Listen, we will say nasty words to you. We will be horrible to you. We will make rude noises and silly faces - you , you, you.... you won't get away with this! Now we're really mad! You're for it now..... grrrrr.... Grrr...Kyoto! there now I've said it what you gonna do? Huh? Huh?

(and yes it is British sarcasm at it's bets / worst, if you're wondering)
45 posted on 12/13/2005 9:02:02 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: minus_273
This from a mange infected passel of ex Nazis, YAWN.
46 posted on 12/13/2005 9:04:00 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: minus_273

We should call it an assisted suicide then they will love it.


47 posted on 12/13/2005 9:04:24 AM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: minus_273

"Europeans outraged"

LOL!

They are such drama queens.

PS: So what.


48 posted on 12/13/2005 9:04:48 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Do you consider Cardinal Martino an idiot?


49 posted on 12/13/2005 9:05:33 AM PST by karnage
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To: DTogo

They're working on it. Takes time and perseverence. Lots of evil has infiltrated the Church, and it's hard to root it all out. But it is happening.


50 posted on 12/13/2005 9:07:06 AM PST by karnage
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To: Zhangliqun

Wow. You hit the nail on the head with this one. Being half British with relatives that still live there, I can tell you that this pretty much hits the mark; no real rational thought, just raw/petty jealousy.


51 posted on 12/13/2005 9:07:20 AM PST by Grey Conservative
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To: minus_273

What they should do is get their own country and make their own rules.


52 posted on 12/13/2005 9:08:32 AM PST by Ben Mugged (Sins can be forgiven but stupid is forever.)
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To: Mr. K

LOL!


53 posted on 12/13/2005 9:08:55 AM PST by rightwinggoth
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To: minus_273
Some of the first countries to abolish capital punishment included Venezuela (1863), San Marino (1865), and Costa Rica (1877). Today, over half the countries in the world have abolished the death penalty either by law or through practice. (Click to see map) Since 2000, Chile, Yugoslavia, Serbia, Montenegro and Turkey have joined the list of abolitionist countries. Most executions occur in a handful of countries: China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the United States. In Great Britain, it was abolished (except for cases of treason) in 1971; France abolished it in 1981. Canada abolished it in 1976. In 1977, the United Nations General Assembly affirmed in a formal resolution that throughout the world, it is desirable to "progressively restrict the number of offenses for which the death penalty might be imposed, with a view to the desirability of abolishing this punishment".

On the other hand, Time magazine has reported that public opinion polls in Europe show significant support for the death penalty; in some countries it is even favored by a majority.

The fact is, it is an extremely recent and elitist view imposed by elites. In the US, it was banned by SCOTUS unilaterally (before most of the enlightened Europeans, BTW). Elites don't have to worry about the consequences of crime. I wonder quite how dangerous the riots in France would have been if the rioters knew that any resulting deaths would be death penalty offenses.

In addition, the UK has huge problems with suicides in prison. I guess the death penalty is OK as long as they don't have the right to appeal it.

54 posted on 12/13/2005 9:09:42 AM PST by AmishDude (Your corporate slogan could be here! FReepmail me for my confiscatory rates.)
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To: zarf
Doesn't the bible condone the death penalty? If so, why is the church so morally sure of it's position?

You wouldn't know it reading the mainstream media, but the Church does not condemn the death penalty, and never has. Even the new catechism merely says it OUGHT to be unnecessary with modern security methods, but that it is, and will always be, the right of the state to execute criminals to protect its citizens.

It's hard for non-Catholics to understand, but the Vatican is not a top-down corporation. Any Cardinal or official is pretty much free to speak his mind on political matters (as opposed to matters of faith). Just because a Vatican official says something to a reporter doesn't make it the Catholic position.

Cardinal Martino is good when speaking against abortion and the UN crazies trying to enforce it world-wide. He knows nothing about war or jurisprudence. Therefore, the MSM loves to quote him on those last two subjects, rather than consulting any of the many sharper knives you can find in the Vatican drawer.

55 posted on 12/13/2005 9:09:47 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: minus_273

Felonious death is negation of human dignity!


56 posted on 12/13/2005 9:10:03 AM PST by higgmeister (In the shadow of the Big Chicken)
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To: atomic conspiracy
As a native of Scotland, I was astonished and disheartened to see the UN report indicating that Scotland is now the most violent country in the world. When I was a boy, in the 50s and 60s, it was safe to walk down literally any street in the country at any time of the day or night.

That must be just a heartbreaking thing to watch happen to one's homeland in so short a span of decades.

57 posted on 12/13/2005 9:10:24 AM PST by RogueIsland
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To: DTogo

So is child molestation and covering it up, Cardinal. Pull the plank out of your own organization's eye before you criticize the dust in ours.





Excellent! Talk about stones and glass houses...


58 posted on 12/13/2005 9:10:52 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: minus_273
WGAF?

Let Euroweenies warm and feed their murderers...we'll be more environmentally friendly to planet.

59 posted on 12/13/2005 9:11:05 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: minus_273
Rome Mayor Walter Veltroni said the city would keep Williams in its memory the next time it celebrates a victory against the death penalty somewhere in the world.

Maybe they should be more focused on that genocide in Darfur.

60 posted on 12/13/2005 9:11:48 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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