[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Wisconsin is a joke. I'm not signing up for a stupid permit that'll be abused by corrupt politicians and law-enforcement and neither should law-abiding WI residents.

[goldstategop]

Pure Barbara Streisand. The MSM's interest in all this is not the public's right to know but to portray law-abiding gun owners as dangerous nutcases who can't be trusted with a gun. Don't tell me they aren't biased. The press isn't exactly a virgin when it comes to the RKBA.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

[Thunder90]

Keeping the records secret is the best defence against robbery for everyone.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Kristen Rand, the legislative director for the Washington, D.C.-based Violence Policy Center, points to Texas as a state where the concealed carry law isn't working. A study that the non-profit center, which works to curb violence, conducted showed that "basically concealed carry permit holders were not stopping crimes, they were committing crimes," Rand said.

Any Texas FReepers want to debunk this B.S.?

[RTINSC]

The only person who should know if you are carrying is the perp who poses a threat to your safety.

[The Spirit Of Allegiance]

Seems to me that, if people don't rob and murder people with private property like guns, knives and forks, why should the government even be prying into the matter?

Seems to me that a bigger concern for these legislators is PROSECUTION for those involved in crime, weapons or not.

Seems to me that, infringing on Second Amendment rights IS a civil rights crime.

Mr. Russ-ian Feingold, care to comment?

[Tzimisce]

I thought we had a right to privacy???

What happened - women have it in abortion cases....

[Anti-Bubba182]

"Without public access to the names of people who would be allowed to carry concealed weapons, it would be nearly impossible to tell whether the law is working as intended and make sure the permits wind up solely in the hands of upstanding citizens, officials of government watchdog groups said Friday."

Crap! What they really meant to say.

Without public access to the names of people who would be allowed to carry concealed weapons, it would be nearly impossible to Publish a list of those holding concealed carry permits so they can be more effectively harrassed, officials of government watchdog groups said Friday.

[Prime Choice]

Without public access to the names of people who would be allowed to carry concealed weapons, it would be nearly impossible to tell whether the law is working as intended and make sure the permits wind up solely in the hands of upstanding citizens, officials of government watchdog groups said Friday.

Translation: "government watchdog groups" == anti-gun wingnuts.

Translation: "without public access" == the Leftists fear that their criminal friends will find their work too hazardous without knowing who's packing and who's not.

Translation: "nearly impossible to tell whether the law is working as intended" == the Leftists don't want the sudden drop in crime to be seen for what it is: the direct result of arming law-abiding citizens in such a way that the criminals don't know who can fight back.

In short, same old Leftist pro-criminal crap.

[Cobra64]

""The whole idea of democracy is to allow that public check . . . to confirm people are doing what they are supposed to be doing and that legislation has its desired effect."

Unless I am misinterpreting this clown's remarks; maybe this germ should read the United States Constitution.

Now who was the author of 1984?

Written in 1948 (btw)

The next step is to fill out a form on a monthly basis as to how many times you are allowed to have sex with:

1) Are you male, female or transgendered

2) How many times do you want to have sex with your partner?

3) Please explain and document the methods so that Larry Flynt and Ted Kennedy can learn new methods and tax your orgasms.

Series, I could go on but I have to go to Denver tomorrow and it's late here.

btw, I'm a master of sarcasm based upon where and what I perceive this country is going into hell at an AlGorythhmic rate.

[GeronL]

Vee need zee namez ov zee dissidentz

[ExSoldier]

Didn't see this point addressed here:

"It is impossible for the public to engage in any meaningful oversight when the records are off the books."

It is not the responsibility of the public to oversee anything that has to do with fellow citizens! WATCHDOG GROUPS like the NRA, like the GOA watch the government to prevent infringment of rights. They don't watch each other. In the old USSR these groups would be defacto members of the GRU (secret police). Hmmmmmmm

[R. Scott]

I could almost be all in favor of publishing the names of legal permit holders – if the names of all criminals who carry illegally are also published. Since that is impossible, keep the permit holders names classified.

[Graybeard58]

The whole idea of democracy is to allow that public check . . . to confirm people are doing what they are supposed to be doing

No, it isn't.

[KeyLargo]

City: Retired cops can't carry concealed guns

December 12, 2005
Chicago Sun-Times

BY FRANK MAIN AND FRAN SPIELMAN Staff Reporters

Retired Chicago Police officers will be getting letters in the mail soon saying the city won't certify them to carry guns -- a move that angers the head of the local Fraternal Order of Police.

Congress passed the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 to allow retired and off-duty officers across the country to carry concealed weapons.

But the city is worried about the liability of allowing retired cops to carry guns when they haven't gone through refresher training or undergone mental and physical fitness evaluations. The city also is concerned about the lack of a national database of retired officers authorized to carry guns.

'A responsibility,' not a luxury

Sheri Mecklenburg, general counsel to police Supt. Phil Cline, said the federal law does not define how a department should determine an officer had retired "in good standing."

"We would want some federal legislation to protect us from liability and some national database of people authorized to carry a gun," she said.

Mecklenburg said she did not know how many of the city's 9,000 retired cops have asked to be certified to carry a gun.

The letter to retired Chicago cops says "until these areas of concern are addressed by federal legislation, the Department has declined to adopt new procedures for qualifying retired officers to carry a firearm."

"They have no right to do this," responded Mark Donahue, president of the Chicago Fraternal Order of Police.

Donahue said the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act was a priority of the national FOP.

"The ability to carry a firearm, as expressed by the city, is a luxury," he said. "From the perspective of law enforcement, it is a responsibility."

The Chicago FOP's Web site said its attorneys have advised against legal action so far. Instead, the lodge is "addressing the agencies responsible for ensuring the proper enabling procedures."

Under the city's interpretation of the federal law, the city can't bar out-of-town retired officers from carrying guns if they have been certified by agencies outside Chicago.

But the city believes the federal government can't force the city to certify retired officers here if it chooses not to.

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As long as King Daley, who has armed guards to protecte him and his family 24-7 is mayor no one in Illinois will have CCW.

[Smokin' Joe]

We know who is licensed to drive cars. We know who is licensed to drive school buses and we know who is licensed to cut our hair," said Lucy Dalglish, the executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press.

Ok, Bus drivers, hair cutters must post their licenses in plain view in most places. Just how does this woman know who is licensed to drive cars?

The license plate does not specify that the driver is licensed, only that the owner of the car has paid the annual road tribute to the state.

I despise liars.

[Smokin' Joe]

Wisconsin's move to keep permit holder records secret is "one more in a number of legislative efforts increasing the amount of confidentiality" across the nation as the "pendulum slowly swings" away from greater openness in government , he added.

In GOVERNMENT? We're talking about private citizens here.

If they don't like their government, VOTE 'EM OUT!

[gnarledmaw]

"It is impossible for the public to engage in any meaningful oversight when the [governments] records are off the books.

Im going to have to agree here. It is the responsibility of the public to oversee the governments records. Im also aware that the government having arms records defeats the purpose of the Second Amendment.

I say we honor her wish and fight for Vermont carry...