[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Kristen Rand, the legislative director for the Washington, D.C.-based Violence Policy Center, points to Texas as a state where the concealed carry law isn't working. A study that the non-profit center, which works to curb violence, conducted showed that "basically concealed carry permit holders were not stopping crimes, they were committing crimes," Rand said.

Any Texas FReepers want to debunk this B.S.?

[Just Lori]

concealed carry permit holders were not stopping crimes, they were committing crimes," Rand said.

That makes just as much sense as anything else the liberal nanny-staters are saying these days.

[jess35]

The purpose of a concealed carry permit isn't to stop crime, it's for self protection. Kristen is a moron.

[GeronL]

A study that the non-profit center, which works to curb violence, conducted showed that "basically concealed carry permit holders were not stopping crimes, they were committing crimes," Rand said.

Oh please. That is the biggest load of hogwash, if it were true the media here would have had a field day with it. I think maybe someone with a carry permit was arrested for a non-gun related crime or something.

[Nipplemancer]

that dumbass makes it seem like they were going around shooting people and robbing liquor stores. Just because these folks had CCWs doesn't mean that their weapons were used in the crime and as the article pointed out a vast majority were non-violent crimes like driving without a license.
Statistics without context are lies made to look like the truth.

[FreedomCalls]

Any Texas FReepers want to debunk this B.S.?

Go here: http://www.tsra.com/arrests.htm. The following is an excerpt.

An Analysis of The Arrest Rate Of Texas Concealed Handgun License Holders As Compared To The Arrest Rate Of The Entire Texas Population (1996 - 1998) Revised to include 1999 and 2000 data

Copyright Ó 1999, 2000, 2001 by W. E. Sturdevant

On January 1, 1996, the Texas Concealed Handgun Law went into effect. This law states that the Texas Department of Public Safety (TXDPS) "shall issue" a concealed handgun license (CHL) to any Texas resident who meets the application requirements for character (background check) and training. This is an analysis of arrest data for Texas concealed handgun licensees that was performed on data from the subsequent years of 1996 - 2000. A comparison was made with the arrest data for the entire Texas population for the same time period, showing that, on average: male Texans who are over 21 years old and are not CHL holders are 7.7 times more likely to be arrested for commission of a violent crime than male Texans with a CHL; and female Texans who are over 21 years old and are not CHL holders are 7.5 times more likely to be arrested for commission of a violent crime than female Texans with a CHL. Of the violent crime cases that have been adjudicated, approximately 26% of CHL holders who were arrested were convicted, and 44% are cleared of the violent crimes for which they were arrested.

[5Madman2]

Already Debunked-"Violence Policy Center" automatically makes any statement a lie.

Seriously-the study they quote found that the rate for permit holders was lower than the general populace.

The media trumpeted the fact that permit holders were invovled in Criminal Activity such as DWI, Criminal Trespass, etc. They couldn't find too many violent crimes to trumpet. Everything was at a lower rate than the general populace

[basil]

I've never heard of this Rand person, and I've certainly never heard anything about his outrageous statement. Also, I have never heard of one case of a legal CHL holder committing a crime. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but if it has, I haven't heard about it.

I would imagine that if just one CHL holder had committed a crime, it would be all over the news for several days--The TX news media is just like all the rest--liberal.

[lrb111]

"Shortly after the study was published, Rand said, Texas cut off public access to permit holder information."

A straight up liar.



GC §411.192. CONFIDENTIALITY OF RECORDS. The department
shall disclose to a criminal justice agency information contained in its
files and records regarding whether a named individual or any individual
named in a specified list is licensed under this subchapter. The depart-
ment shall, on written request and payment of a reasonable fee to covercosts of copying, disclose to any other individual whether a named indi-
vidual or any individual whose full name is listed on a specified written
list is licensed under this subchapter. Information on an individual
subject to disclosure under this section includes the individual's name,
date of birth, gender, race, and zip code. Except as otherwise provided
by this section and by Section 411.193, all other records maintained
under this subchapter are confidential and are not subject to mandatory
disclosure under the open records law, Chapter 552, except that the
applicant or license holder may be furnished a copy of disclosable
records on request and the payment of a reasonable fee. The depart-
ment shall notify a license holder of any request that is made for infor-
mation relating to the license holder under this section and provide the
name of the person or agency making the request. This section does
not prohibit the department from making public and distributing to the
public at no cost lists of individuals who are certified as qualified
handgun instructors by the department.