Posted on 12/09/2005 11:22:39 AM PST by Jean S
You might be right although the jurisdiction clause imo clearly gives Congress the right to legislate that illegals have no claims to automatic citizenship. The obvious solution then is to do what will probably happen, Congress will redefine the law then let the USSC decide one way or the other.
That doesn't require any thinking because it's obvious.
I imagine most of those fools would be kicking their great grandparents out of town then. Perhaps life is better for some in Ireland or Italy but I'll take the US over any other nation on this earth.
GEEZE, THIS IS A NO BRAINER AND LOOOOONG OVERDUE!
...Not to mention U.S. taxpayers incurring HUGE medical bills that have to be paid. In most cases, hospitals are not reimbursed at all or only get a pittance of what is due. This is a big reason all of our insurance rates have gotten ridiculously expensive. I'm p*ssed off that Congress is just now getting around to doing something they should have done many, many years ago.
The parents, adult children etc can still apply to come here. They just don't get preference, nor should they.
You missed the point about lack of confidence.
You seem to think the only way the US can thrive is if we bring in immigrants to prop up the "dummy" Americans. That's similar to GWB, who thinks that Americans won't do tough, dirty jobs (maybe he isn't, but that is not the point in question). I happen to think Americans are capable of both.
We have 300 million people in this country. Of that 300 million, there are plenty who are capable and intelligent.
Give native born Americans the keys to the ivory tower universities instead of the Saudis, etc. We will reap the benefits, and we can do it without massive immigration.
The parents, adult children etc can still apply to come here. They just don't get preference, nor should they.
You missed the point about lack of confidence.
You seem to think the only way the US can thrive is if we bring in immigrants to prop up the "dummy" Americans. That's similar to GWB, who thinks that Americans won't do tough, dirty jobs (maybe he isn't, but that is not the point in question). I happen to think Americans are capable of both.
We have 300 million people in this country. Of that 300 million, there are plenty who are capable and intelligent.
Give native born Americans the keys to the ivory tower universities instead of the Saudis, etc. We will reap the benefits, and we can do it without massive immigration.
"subject to the jurisdiction thereof,"
Since illegal aliens aren't "subject to the jurisdiction thereof," a constitutional amendment isn't necessary.
This is amazing. I am very interested to see if this passes at all. What a change this would be. Of course, President Bush would finally get to use his VETO pen...LOL.
So is the Lautenburg Amendment that forbid anyone that ever pled guilty to domestic violence to own a firearm. Still seems to be in effect. Don't hear any outcry. Doubt if there will be any outcry by Americans about ILLEGAL ALIEN rights, except maybe by those that have a monetary interest in bringing them in.
Unless the kid is deemed to have some sort of birth defect, and then the whole family gets to stay and is eligible for all sorts of goodies. Even while mama pumps out more defective kids.
I would change that to read, "legal residents".
And the fact that parents and adult children can't get here should bother me, why?
They need college degrees? Don't make me laugh, I live in CA and I know plenty of people who are immigrants that don't even have high school degrees due to their anchor baby(ies). Check out the test scores in California schools (by ethnicity) or see how many hospitals have closed in this state due to illegal immigration, then tell me that immigration is always and forever good. Or better yet, check the crime stats.
Excessive immigration lowers native fertility (as well as social cohesion, witness France). It's time to encourage native reproduction, and also past time to end the outdated SS system, and move to privitization.
I personally know Senator Sam Brownback, and have weekly contact with his immigration aides. Now, please tell me about your work experience or knowledge of the issue.
I believe our Founding Fathers have addressed this point in the Federalist Papers, etc, so you'll just have to live with us lesser mortals (aka the great unwashed) having opinions that you disagree with.
I have news for you. The foreign students we have in graduate programs in this country ARE NOT STAYING, but are electing to return home. Furthermore, the number of Americans earning graduate degrees in the hard sciences is rapidly declining,
Between 1983 and 1999, the number of foreign students in science and engineering rose 6% (to 26%) of the total (National Science Foundation figures). If you want US students to study science and engineering, why not give them preference at American universities? You've just made the point for me that we are far better off investing in OUR OWN PEOPLE. I am continuously amazed at this tunnel vision idea that only immigrants will save us.
You also might want to do research about the impacts of mass immigration on native born wages, etc.
I'd suggest Matloff's paper on the HB-1 Visa program and it's effect on American employment/education.
Oh wait, Brownback is the Senator with a lifetime rating on immigration votes of "D" and a recent rating of "D-" from the Better Immigration folks.
I personally know Senator Sam Brownback, and have weekly contact with his immigration aides. Now, please tell me about your work experience or knowledge of the issue.
I don't agree with Senator Brownbacks immigration views.
Hmmm, a bit of cognitive dissonance here. Why would you tout your relationship with Senator Brownback and then disavow his policies? I tend to cite people with whom I agree.
The Federalist Papers make the point that government is by and for the people, not the elites. Therefore, it is wise to have a well educated and moral populace to have the best possible government. Citing your competence in a given area because of "who you know" is an appeal to unamerican elitism and has nothing to do with your real state of knowledge on a specific issue.
That's like me saying I am a physics expert because my next door neighbor works at Lawrence Livermore Lab.
I'm quite well aware of the difference between legal and illegal immigration. However, they are tied together in their impacts on the US. If you have both high illegal and legal immigration, you are straining the ablity to assimilate new arrivals and to protect itself in a time of war. For example, the folks who brought down the Twin Towers on 9-11 were here legally, why should I trust the government to do a better job with even MORE immigrants? Self evident. And there are plenty of politicians who wish to turn illegal immigrants into legal immigrants (McCain/Kennedy, cough) for a mere $2000, so my concerns are quite germane.
HB-1 visas are another facet of immigration and employment policy, and impact American willingness to go into certain fields (such as science and technology) since they can be replaced in their home country by a cheap foreign worker.
Raising fertility rates has something to do with Hitler?
Maybe in YOUR mind, I'm at a loss to understand the link there.
I'm not going to go to the trouble of pulling together a list of citations for the rest of the information, as I would have if you'd responded like a rational person.
When someone has to resort to name calling, I figure I've made my point and then some.
Don't bother responding, I'm off this thread.
Good.
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