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To: bordergal
The parents, adult children etc can still apply to come here. They just don't get preference, nor should they.

You obviously know almost nothing about immigration. There is almost no way these adult children can get here unless they hold academic degrees. As it is in the very best category it will take at least 9 years for the adult children to immigrate here, and you call that preference. Their parents stand no chance at all.

You missed the point about lack of confidence.
You seem to think the only way the US can thrive is if we bring in immigrants to prop up the "dummy" Americans. That's similar to GWB, who thinks that Americans won't do tough, dirty jobs (maybe he isn't, but that is not the point in question). I happen to think Americans are capable of both.

Please tell me who is going to replace the 46 million Americans who have been aborted? Who is going to pay for SS as America grays?
Let's see, I have been studying the immigration issue for 6 years. I personally know Senator Sam Brownback, and have weekly contact with his immigration aides. Now, please tell me about your work experience or knowledge of the issue.

We have 300 million people in this country. Of that 300 million, there are plenty who are capable and intelligent. Give native born Americans the keys to the ivory tower universities instead of the Saudis, etc. We will reap the benefits, and we can do it without massive immigration.

I have news for you. The foreign students we have in graduate programs in this country ARE NOT STAYING, but are electing to return home. Furthermore, the number of Americans earning graduate degrees in the hard sciences is rapidly declining, and the majority of these grad students are foreign. If you think a little bit, then you just might see the handwriting on the wall.
74 posted on 12/11/2005 12:22:33 PM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: GarySpFc

And the fact that parents and adult children can't get here should bother me, why?

They need college degrees? Don't make me laugh, I live in CA and I know plenty of people who are immigrants that don't even have high school degrees due to their anchor baby(ies). Check out the test scores in California schools (by ethnicity) or see how many hospitals have closed in this state due to illegal immigration, then tell me that immigration is always and forever good. Or better yet, check the crime stats.

Excessive immigration lowers native fertility (as well as social cohesion, witness France). It's time to encourage native reproduction, and also past time to end the outdated SS system, and move to privitization.

I personally know Senator Sam Brownback, and have weekly contact with his immigration aides. Now, please tell me about your work experience or knowledge of the issue.

I believe our Founding Fathers have addressed this point in the Federalist Papers, etc, so you'll just have to live with us lesser mortals (aka the great unwashed) having opinions that you disagree with.

I have news for you. The foreign students we have in graduate programs in this country ARE NOT STAYING, but are electing to return home. Furthermore, the number of Americans earning graduate degrees in the hard sciences is rapidly declining,

Between 1983 and 1999, the number of foreign students in science and engineering rose 6% (to 26%) of the total (National Science Foundation figures). If you want US students to study science and engineering, why not give them preference at American universities? You've just made the point for me that we are far better off investing in OUR OWN PEOPLE. I am continuously amazed at this tunnel vision idea that only immigrants will save us.

You also might want to do research about the impacts of mass immigration on native born wages, etc.

I'd suggest Matloff's paper on the HB-1 Visa program and it's effect on American employment/education.


76 posted on 12/11/2005 1:47:29 PM PST by bordergal
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To: GarySpFc

Oh wait, Brownback is the Senator with a lifetime rating on immigration votes of "D" and a recent rating of "D-" from the Better Immigration folks.


77 posted on 12/11/2005 1:53:45 PM PST by bordergal
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