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1 posted on 12/08/2005 7:46:42 AM PST by kress
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2 posted on 12/08/2005 7:49:07 AM PST by SJackson (There's no such thing as too late, that's why they invented death. Walter Matthau)
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Jimmy Carter's Iranian legacy in full bloom.


3 posted on 12/08/2005 7:49:39 AM PST by Maynerd
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the state of palestine never existed.


4 posted on 12/08/2005 7:49:56 AM PST by conservative physics
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Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. LOL


5 posted on 12/08/2005 7:50:38 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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"If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe "

Non!


6 posted on 12/08/2005 7:50:45 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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Can any say "Ethnic Cleansing?"


8 posted on 12/08/2005 7:53:06 AM PST by DManA
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"If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe -- like in Germany, Austria or other countries -- to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe.

Uh - too late. The Europeans have already given some of their provinces to the Jihadists and they have already established their state in Europe.

10 posted on 12/08/2005 7:55:30 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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"Isn't the right to national self-determination one of the principles of the United Nations charter? Why do they deprive Palestinians of this right?"

I dunno. Why does every raghead in the Middle East including yourself deny this right to their own people? Why is it that the only Arabs who can vote are in "occupied" Iraq and "occupied" Palestine? Why did you kill the Prime Minister of Lebanon?

I guess we all have questions.
11 posted on 12/08/2005 7:56:08 AM PST by oldleft
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Ya know, for completely selfish reasons, I wouldn't mind if Israel were move to the United States..


12 posted on 12/08/2005 7:57:35 AM PST by Paradox (Time to sharpen ole Occam's Razor.)
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"The question is where do those who rule in Palestine as occupiers come from? Where were they born? Where did their fathers live? They have no roots in Palestine but they have taken the fate of Palestine in their hands."

Where did their father's fathers live...and their fathers? Go back far enough and you find we are all thieves living on land forcibly taken from others. Apparantly, this bozo doesn't know how Cyrus and other tribal leaders originally obtainted the land for the Persians.

"Isn't the right to national self-determination one of the principles of the United Nations charter? Why do they deprive Palestinians of this right?"

So he supports the creation of an independent Kurdish state...and one for Egypts Copts? The man is a fool, as was Woodrow Wilson. Too bad TR isn't alive.

13 posted on 12/08/2005 7:59:46 AM PST by liberallarry
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where do those who rule in Palestine as occupiers come from? Where were they born? Where did their fathers live?

For one, the president of Israel, Moshe Katsav, was born in Iran.

17 posted on 12/08/2005 8:01:34 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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I suggest that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad be relocated to the dark side of the moon.


18 posted on 12/08/2005 8:01:40 AM PST by airborne (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't!)
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The day rat faced Ahmadinejad is sent with his jihadist comrades to Mohamadian terrorist "paradise" will be a happy day indeed.

Please nuke me now!

19 posted on 12/08/2005 8:10:32 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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I thought Europe was Muslim territory. The European Muslims would never consent to a Jewish State in their midst. };-)


21 posted on 12/08/2005 8:15:26 AM PST by popdonnelly
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I happen to like this guy, Ahmadinejad. Whatever befalls Iran in the next year or two can be blamed on him and world won't even twitch.


26 posted on 12/08/2005 9:05:25 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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They have no roots in Palestine but they have taken the fate of Palestine in their hands.

Islamic revisionist history. The following bible quotation is God instructing Joshua as he led the Israelites into what is now called Palestine.

Joshua 1:3-4, "Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you as I said unto Moses. From the wilderness (desert) and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites (present day Iraq and Syria) and unto the great sea (Mediterranean) to the going down of the sun shall be your borders."

The descendents of Abraham included the Arabs and several ancient tribes which have been absorbed into other middle eastern tribes and nations over time. But in Genesis 21:12 God told Abraham, "In Isaac shall they seed (posterity) be called". Isaac bore 2 sons, Jacob and Esau, but Esau sold his inheritance to Jacob, thus eliminating his progeny from the inheritance promised to Isaac's heirs. The ancient Israelites never occupied the greater part of the land they were promised. After Joshua and his generation passed the Israelites became demoralized by constant warfare with the Philistines who were invading the region and did not subdue the tribes located on their inheritance any further than roughly the area now held by Israel, Jordan, and parts of Lebanon and Syria.

The Arabs are the result of intermarriage between descendents of Abraham's illegitimate son Ishmael and Esau's descendents. None of those non-Israeli descendents of Abraham are included in God's irrevocable land grant to the descendents of Jacob.

All that to say this. Israel holds the only legitimate title to all the land now held by Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq. If God's promises are fulfilled, and they will be, Israel will eventually possess as well as own all of the land it was given over 3000 years ago. The Islamic hordes outnumber the Israelis by approximately 160-1. But the legitimate descendents of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob have God on their side, and God + 1 = a majority.

28 posted on 12/08/2005 9:23:02 AM PST by epow ("Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people" Prov. 14:34)
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Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday expressed doubt that the Holocaust occurred

When Holocaust deniers do their thing, they think they're dissing the Jews. They forget about the additional 6 or 7 million people who were NOT Jews who just disappeared during Hitler's time. I wonder what they think happened to those people?

30 posted on 12/08/2005 9:44:06 AM PST by SuziQ
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"The question is where do those who rule in Palestine as occupiers come from? Where were they born? Where did their fathers live? They have no roots in Palestine but they have taken the fate of Palestine in their hands.

Iran is not connected to Palestine in any genetic way. Iranians are NOT Arabs; they are of Persian descent. The only thing connecting them is Islam, but many of the Palestinians are CHRISTIANS, not Muslims, so there's not even a full connection there.

Iran just can't stand the fact that Israel even exists. Even it it WERE moved somewhere in Europe, Iran still would be angry.

31 posted on 12/08/2005 9:47:04 AM PST by SuziQ
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It seems as if American policy toward Iran a few years ago was to sit back and wait for the expected internal revolution which would topple the Islamofascist regime.

Now with this new maniac as the Iranian president, and Iran approaching a nuclear weapons capability and abetting Islamic terrorists around the world, perhaps it is time for the U. S. to become more proactive.


33 posted on 12/08/2005 2:18:26 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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Why do the Jewish people not have a right to self-determination in the Land Of Israel? I don't see a Palestinian deed recorded in the Torah. I do see God making an eternal covenant with Abraham to give it as an eternal possession to his descendants. The Iranian President can look up the relevant sources. As for his comments about the Holocaust, its not because Six Million Jews were murdered in Europe that a Jewish State arose. It would happened in any case because it was God's Will. But I don't expect an anti-Semite to acquaint himself with the truth. The people of Israel know very well the Iranian regime has sworn itself to destroy their country. That will never be allowed to happen.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

35 posted on 12/08/2005 5:53:34 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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